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PD42 carbs run only on choke
« on: March 22, 2020, 10:31:07 AM »
For Red - it has 1978 CB750F engine - I got set of PD4s.  Did basic cleaning, including jets, replaced cables and rubber connector to the air box.  Yesterday I tried it out and the only way it would run was on full choke.

Figured, there is something wrong  ;D 

I am going to pull carbs out and look at idle and running jets; any other idea?  Fuel level is ok.
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Re: PD42 carbs run only on choke
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2020, 11:26:28 AM »
Press in pilot jets need to come out and all passages thouroughly cleaned
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Re: PD42 carbs run only on choke
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2020, 11:29:43 AM »
Any idea if it is running on all 4 cylinders?

Any chance the high idle with choke ON isn't working?  That's important.

You likely know but those carbs won't run without choke until the bike has been driven a couple miles.  not full choke though.
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Re: PD42 carbs run only on choke
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2020, 02:04:12 PM »
The pilot jets on the PD42/b series carbs are only #35 and clog easily. Also, the PD carbs have those tiny O-rings above the tiny washer on the tips of the idle screws: if the O-rings break (from age) then the mixture goes dead lean at idle. I had a similar F3 here one summer that had 3 out of the 4 O-rings split, the 4th missing altogether (along with its washer) - it would only idle at 1800 RPM and needed choke to get up there.
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Re: PD42 carbs run only on choke
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2020, 03:12:57 PM »
Thank you, guys.  Yes, it ran on all 4 cylinders - i touched every exhaust pipe :)

This is the first time ever I mess with these carbs, it is good to know the choke is to be used for few miles.

Also my airbox is not the correct one, I was able to get the rubbers in but I need to get a different one.   I would not expect it to make a huge difference.

Question:  What is the initial air screw set up?   I believe I did 1.5 turns out based on the shop manual.
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Re: PD42 carbs run only on choke
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2020, 02:38:20 AM »
About right but on the screw is a spring a tiny waser and an O ring, all are vitally important and it wont run properly without them
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Re: PD42 carbs run only on choke
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2020, 03:36:58 AM »
Thank you, I will see what I can find there.
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Re: PD42 carbs run only on choke
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2020, 05:08:20 PM »
I just came across a set of these carbs without the washer and oring and someone tightened the carb one idle mixture screw so much that it now requires a different number of turns to be equal to the rest!

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Re: PD42 carbs run only on choke
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2020, 03:06:54 AM »
Press in pilot jets need to come out and all passages thouroughly cleaned

How do you get them out? 
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Re: PD42 carbs run only on choke
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2020, 03:11:40 AM »
The pilot jets on the PD42/b series carbs are only #35 and clog easily. Also, the PD carbs have those tiny O-rings above the tiny washer on the tips of the idle screws: if the O-rings break (from age) then the mixture goes dead lean at idle. I had a similar F3 here one summer that had 3 out of the 4 O-rings split, the 4th missing altogether (along with its washer) - it would only idle at 1800 RPM and needed choke to get up there.

I found all 4 tiny washers but no o-rings.  I used magnetized bicycle spoke to fish them out.

The order is spring, washer, o-ring i assume.
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Re: PD42 carbs run only on choke
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2020, 04:01:04 AM »
That order is correct if you are putting them on the screw.
To get pilot jets out clamp tighrt but not deforming tight with vice grips then twist and pull at same time. The only place i ever found pilots was Sirius in Canada
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Re: PD42 carbs run only on choke
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2020, 04:46:39 AM »
The pilot jets on the PD42/b series carbs are only #35 and clog easily. Also, the PD carbs have those tiny O-rings above the tiny washer on the tips of the idle screws: if the O-rings break (from age) then the mixture goes dead lean at idle. I had a similar F3 here one summer that had 3 out of the 4 O-rings split, the 4th missing altogether (along with its washer) - it would only idle at 1800 RPM and needed choke to get up there.

I found all 4 tiny washers but no o-rings.  I used magnetized bicycle spoke to fish them out.

The order is spring, washer, o-ring i assume.

It's unlikely someone would install the washers but not the orings, so they are probably compressed/stuck into the end of the barrel. Use some light to peer down the barrel and look for black rubber donut as opposed to shiny metal.

The orings are harder to get out than the washers, so you will likely need to bend a paper clip to create a little hook at the end and then fish them out. It will take a little time.

If you decide to buy replacement mixture screws (not always needed), check the length of the springs against the originals. I recently bought a screw and the spring was shorter, causing a bad seal with the oring and leaked gas out the mixture screw.
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Re: PD42 carbs run only on choke
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2020, 05:19:59 AM »
That order is correct if you are putting them on the screw.
To get pilot jets out clamp tighrt but not deforming tight with vice grips then twist and pull at same time. The only place i ever found pilots was Sirius in Canada

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You can also use a small piece of reinforced fuel line to slip over the jet to prevent deforming the pilot with the vice grips.
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