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CB750 Gear shifting problem
« on: September 20, 2020, 07:28:08 AM »
Well problems come in dusins I guess.
I just want to say thanks! for all the help I've gotten the last few days. Next up: gear box.

Just took the bike for the very first and very short ride. Gear lever is very tight and won't shift into 4th. I'm about to take it apart but thought I'd ask if any of you have suggestions.
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Re: CB750 Gear shifting problem
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2020, 11:38:19 AM »
I'm about to take a look at this. Always afraid to take covers off a bike. Do I need to drain the oil?
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Re: CB750 Gear shifting problem
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2020, 11:42:48 AM »
No need to drain but there will be some oil in there so have a pan under it.
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Re: CB750 Gear shifting problem
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2020, 01:36:27 PM »
Seems like at least one of the pins in the shift drum is missing.
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Re: CB750 Gear shifting problem
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2020, 01:43:44 PM »
Very rare, has it been apart recently?
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Re: CB750 Gear shifting problem
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2020, 02:05:32 PM »
I just bought it. A non runner. Seller is not the chatty type. A K0 I'm beginning to think I paid too much for

I thought it was a missing pin but it seems like the arm isn't engaging to pull for fourth gear. Trying to compare with Hackaweek video
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Re: CB750 Gear shifting problem
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2020, 02:15:02 PM »
I think the "stay in gear" plate acts like it's in 5th. and doesn't fall down. So maybe the dowels that engage with the plate are out if sync with the dowels for the shifter puller. Anyone agree?
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Re: CB750 Gear shifting problem
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2020, 02:36:04 PM »
I'll make a new thread on this. I hope the engine hasn't been assembled wrong
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Re: CB750 Gear shifting problem
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2020, 12:11:54 AM »
All gears will not jump in when shifting without moving the front drive sprocket.
Same if rolling the bike?
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Re: CB750 Gear shifting problem
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2020, 12:29:28 AM »
I'll try. Thanks
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Re: CB750 Gear shifting problem
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2021, 07:49:03 AM »
Did that work? I'm having the same issue on a K7.

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Re: CB750 Gear shifting problem
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2021, 11:52:07 AM »
Yes
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Re: CB750 Gear shifting problem
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2021, 06:52:52 PM »
I'm newbie to this post, so pardon my questions:
1. Like PeWe said: don't try to shift without also moving the countersprocket/shaft by hand (and-and-forth) between gears, or the gears end up dog-against-dog and won't let the shifter drum turn. This constant-mesh gearbox requires at least one shaft be moving (turning) during the shifts.
2. Start by getting all the way 'down' to 1st gear. Then search for Neutral, then work up and turn the countershaft during each shift attempt.
3. The 4-5 shift will be stiff: it is moving the gear with the widest grip on the mainshaft. If there is some rust on it from sitting or the like, it will be stiff, indeed! This can also happen if the engine has not been run in a long time, as the oil drained away from the mainshaft while sitting.

The K0-K3 gearbox has a narrow Neutral slot, too. They are also famous for bent "L" shift forks from incomplete clutch disengagement, primarily because they so willingly shifted 1-N-2 with barely a pull of the lever. Over time, this loosens the screw in the center of the shifter drum, then it will not shift into 2nd reliably. Then somone gets in there, discovers the drum's screw has backed out, and takes it off. The pins all fall out, and they have no idea how they were supposed to go in there: then the short one gets put into the wrong hole and one of the gears "diappears". I did this myself once to a K4 and it would not shift into 4th gear, going up. The short pin was in the wrong hole.
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Re: CB750 Gear shifting problem
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2021, 10:56:31 PM »
I'm newbie to this post, so pardon my questions:
1. Like PeWe said: don't try to shift without also moving the countersprocket/shaft by hand (and-and-forth) between gears, or the gears end up dog-against-dog and won't let the shifter drum turn. This constant-mesh gearbox requires at least one shaft be moving (turning) during the shifts.
2. Start by getting all the way 'down' to 1st gear. Then search for Neutral, then work up and turn the countershaft during each shift attempt.
3. The 4-5 shift will be stiff: it is moving the gear with the widest grip on the mainshaft. If there is some rust on it from sitting or the like, it will be stiff, indeed! This can also happen if the engine has not been run in a long time, as the oil drained away from the mainshaft while sitting.

The K0-K3 gearbox has a narrow Neutral slot, too. They are also famous for bent "L" shift forks from incomplete clutch disengagement, primarily because they so willingly shifted 1-N-2 with barely a pull of the lever. Over time, this loosens the screw in the center of the shifter drum, then it will not shift into 2nd reliably. Then somone gets in there, discovers the drum's screw has backed out, and takes it off. The pins all fall out, and they have no idea how they were supposed to go in there: then the short one gets put into the wrong hole and one of the gears "diappears". I did this myself once to a K4 and it would not shift into 4th gear, going up. The short pin was in the wrong hole.
Thanks for your comment. I'll be aware of pins when assembling it again.

Main problem here was originally (when assembled) the shifter cover pinching the shifter shaft so it couldn't move freely. It couldn't return to pick up the pins. When removing the cover I thought I still saw the same problem. But this was because I didn't move the final drive when shifting. When rotating the final drive it shifted fine. Putting on the shifter cover before the alternator cover solved it.
Thanks,
J
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