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Offline Aaron Richard

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1975 cb550 clutch issue
« on: January 23, 2021, 07:31:48 AM »
My 1975 cb550 has an issue while taking off.
It makes a weird almost screech sound if i try to take off quick or if im on a steep hill. If i take off easy, its fine.

Shifts into all gears and never pops out. Also once going the clutch doesnt slip at all... i never changed the metal plates only friction plates so im wondering if steel plates are junk and need replacing?  Cant think of anything else. Maybe clutch plates getting caught up in clutch basket?  Any thoughts?

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Re: 1975 cb550 clutch issue
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2021, 07:52:26 AM »
Or a clutch plate has lost it’s coating and you are hearing metal on metal? Did you oil soak all the plates before assembly?

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Re: 1975 cb550 clutch issue
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2021, 12:07:03 PM »
I did soak the plates originally. The bike has been sitting for a few years now. Ive been going through it all  to get it on the road again. I had this issue before i parked it. Ill have to pull it apart and really check everything over, maybe buy a new clutch kit with steel plates too.

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Re: 1975 cb550 clutch issue
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2021, 03:14:01 PM »
hey shiznits, my 500 has this exact same issue! - only if I try to take off really unusually quickly - has only ever happened a few times, really freaks me out when it does.. I have no idea what's going on! I have new aftermarket friction discs and second hand steels. I haven't ridden it with amy other clutch but have thousands of miles with the current parts. My clutch also never slips at all in normal or even very spirited riding when engaged. I would love to know what's going on and will follow this thread with much interest!
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Re: 1975 cb550 clutch issue
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2021, 06:56:26 PM »
Hey John
Yeah its wacky. Its was doing this on and off before i parked it because of electrical issues. I know i replaced the friction plates but not the steal ones and im guessing they are really old and might be a bit warped maybe.

But yeah bike pulls fine even when really opened up and shifting quickly through the backroads. Its nice and smooth. Its just at the initial take off  if i let the clutch out quick or on a steep hill.

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Re: 1975 cb550 clutch issue
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2021, 07:38:27 PM »
It's highly likely tht the steel plates are fine. It's also highly likely that you have incorrect clutch plates, especially given WHEN you bought them.
Here's why:
All of the vendors were (accidentally) selling too-thin clutch plates for the 500/550 between 2008 and about 2014 or so, and these paltes are still mixed into the parts supply here and there.

The problem: the OEM clutch plate for the 500/550 is 0.121" thick. The ones being sold are 0.106" thick, and fit more recent superbikes (with 9- and 10-plate clutches). When you install the thin plates into the clutch, you end up at the extreme ends of the clutch cable adjustments, but it [just barely] works after a fashion. It also slips, because the whole stack-up of plates is less than Honda's worn-out spec for those plates, and the spring pressure is too low.

Here's where it gets more confused: some vendors sought to "fix" this by selling stronger clutch springs for the clutch pack. While this slightly improved on the slippage problem, it also squishes all the oil out of the plates, drying out the cork, and making the clutch...'squawk' when released. Sound familiar?

Here is the 'fix':
1. Shop for the correct clutch plates: I have contacted most of the vendors and a few, like PartsNmore, have responded nicely by putting the thickness of the plates on their listing for these bikes.
2. If you cannot get the 0.121" thick plates, get 2 or 3 of the CB750 plates form their 6-plate set: these are 0.140" thick. You can add two or three of these in place of 2 or 3 of the too-thin ones and get a proper stack height. The proper height is: the face of the top plate must be flush with the top edge of the fingers of the clutch basket. Chances are the ones you have are sitting almost a full plate deeper than that now.

Note: if you already installed the stiffer springs, DON'T try to use those with the new full-height clutch pack. It can break the pressure plate (don't ask how I know that, because I won't tell you...).
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Re: 1975 cb550 clutch issue
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2021, 06:18:28 AM »
Thanks hondaman
That makes sense. My cable adjustments always seemed to be excessive even with new friction plates. Ill hunt down some proper thickness friction plates and springs since i think i have the HD ones in there from way back.

Ill update when i can👍