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Offline Xdeano

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Carb seals leaking tell me what ive got.
« on: May 08, 2021, 07:58:30 PM »
So the frame says 1977 CB550k
The motor was a swap it says CB 550e

Im looking to rebuild the carbs to put new floats, seals, etc to stop the leaking.

They look like a CB 550F carbs but I'm looking for your guys input.

Thanks in advance.
Xdeano

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Re: Carb seals leaking tell me what ive got.
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2021, 08:05:18 PM »
here it is.

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2021, 11:40:50 PM »
I do not think you will need new floats. Usually these carbs can be cured by cleaning and replacing some seals. First determine where it leaks. Overflow tubes? BTW, you can identify your carbs by reading the stamped in number as shown in the pics. Probably: 069A, 022A or 087A.
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Re: Carb seals leaking tell me what ive got.
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2021, 12:24:17 AM »
Yes they are f type, or 500.
Dont buy kits as aftermarket brass is #$%*e, you can get a O ring kit from Nurse Julie a member on here, i use nothing else. Never ever changed a float but have changed float needles and seats.
I dee you have bellmouths on there so hope it already runs ok
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Re: Carb seals leaking tell me what ive got.
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2021, 06:37:47 AM »
Yep it runs pretty well with the velocity stacks on.

The issues I'm having is that the left two carbs overfill the bowls and start streaming out of the overflow. This is typically after I let it sit for more than a week. I have to tap the bowls to make the float pop up into the shutoff position. I dont have overflow tubes on it, probably should. 

Ive also got a small seep out of the second carb in from the left, its either the old fuel line or the seal.

So my thoughts were to pull the carb off, but have everything I need. I can still ride it while I wait.

Ill check out the numbers deltarider.

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Re: Carb seals leaking tell me what ive got.
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2021, 06:51:10 AM »
I do not think you will need new floats. Usually these carbs can be cured by cleaning and replacing some seals. First determine where it leaks. Overflow tubes? BTW, you can identify your carbs by reading the stamped in number as shown in the pics. Probably: 069A, 022A or 087A.

It took me a while to get the old crusty oil and dust sludge off, but its an 069A.  So what can you tell me about this carb. Anything helps.

Appreciate it!
Deano

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Re: Carb seals leaking tell me what ive got.
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2021, 07:13:42 AM »
Originaly CB 550F  carb set may have been rejetted for the bellmouths, depending on market area supplied to main jet 100 pilot 40.
Do not work well with aftermarket needles and needle jets, never known a float leak but have seen pivot post broken off and main jet holders corroded
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2021, 07:34:01 AM »
As far as the 'oldstyle' carbs like yours, the 069A carbs were on the 'F' models, the 'K' models had either 022A or 087A. It had only to do with 4-1 vs 4-4 exhausts. What intrigues me, is that your frame says it is a K and - correct me if I'm wrong - 1977 ment K3, which model had totally different PD carbs and also a different manifold. So... if the oldstyle carbs on your bike fit nicely to the manifold, it means at least that manifold is from a model that had the oldstyle carbs and maybe the whole engine is. BTW these engines are technically all the same. If you want to be sure, you can check your engine- and framenumbers with those listed in the first four pages of the CB550 Parts Lists. They're all here: http://www.honda4fun.com/materiale-documentazione-tecnica/parts-list/parts-list-cb550.
Some years ago I've composed an overview of the oldstyle carbs. It's attached below.
Back to the leaking. Here the standard the procedure.
When carbs have been left drained for a long time like hibernation, sometimes it will be enough to give it time and allow the seals to swell again by the fuel.
Carb peeing fuel out of its overflow tube, often indicates its float needle doesn't close the valve. This is often seen when bike has been inactive for a long period of time or carbs have been tampered with. Overflow can be caused by even a small particle of dirt between the float needle's tip and the valve or the float itself is hindered in its movement.
1. Detach all 4 overflow tubes from their brass pipes to identify which carb it is. Do not pull the tube without rolling it between thumb and finger, this to prevent damage.
2. Once identified, tap with the stub end of a screwdiver its floatbowl and hope this will help to get rid of the dirt.
3. If not, close the petcock, unscrew the drain plug completely. Now with the drain plug removed, open and close the petcock a few times, to create a flush of fuel that can flush out the dirt between the float needle's tip (that is now down) and the valve.
4. When needed, combine step 2 and 3.
In most cases this does it. Ofcourse you will collect all the fuel - inspect it for dirt or excessive rust - and pour it in your tank again.
5. When the above steps don't help, it is necessary to remove the floatbowl for further inspection.
Also possible is that PO has fitted too wide fuel lines. Some members have reported a cracked brass overflow pipe.
If the O-rings on the T-joints do not leak, I'd leave them alone. Mine are 45 years old and still don't leak (Honda fitted two on each side). Do not be tempted to replace the original brassware, that is: not unless you are 100% sure you need to!
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Re: Carb seals leaking tell me what ive got.
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2021, 03:56:19 PM »
Holy deltarider it looks like you had some coffee this morning. ;D Thats all really good info you guys. I'll order up a 550F stuff.  Then ill rip off the carb set and rip into everything. I really appreciate the help. I knew I could count on you guys.

Ill keep you posted!
Deano


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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2021, 04:26:30 AM »
Normally the OEM brass parts hardly wear if at all. Many here thought it a good idea to replace all these parts by aftermarket like Keyster. Often the outcome was disappointing. Hence my advise: do not replace the OEM brass parts, unless you're a 100% certain there is wear. Renewing the O-rings may be done with aftermarket however.
You run bell mouths. Carbs may need bigger size main jets than the ones you'll find in the overview. Personally I wouldn't mess with the jet needles position. 
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