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1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« on: November 01, 2021, 03:45:11 AM »
Yesterday, I made a 6 hour round trip to collect this beautiful 1976 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada w/ clip-ons from a 3 1/2 Sport.
This is the last year for the drum brake up front.   Originally being a "Strada", it only has the 2LS brake.   The "Sport" model
came with a 4LS brake.   Those hubs, are, of course, unubtainium$$$ now.   The 2LS drum works pretty well, good enough that
I'm not going to spend a ton to upgrade it.  It brakes as well as the primitive disc brake on my CB400F.


Classic Honda:
1976 CB400F
1975 CB400F (project)
1975 GL1000
1968 CL175 (1 nice one, one project)
1967 CB77
1967 CB160 (2 of 'em, both projects)
1967 CL160 project
Triumph: 2017 Thruxton R
BMW: 2016 R1200RS, 1975 R90S, 1973 R75/5, 1980 R100S
Ducati: 2013  Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE track beast, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450, 1966 Monza 250
Moto Morini: 1975 (titled 1976) 3 1/2 Strada, w/ Sport clipons.
Moto Guzzi: 2017 V7III Special,  1977 Le Mans, 1974 Eldorado

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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2021, 03:48:22 AM »
Paintwork has been styled on the 1975 Sport.  A 1975 round hump seat would look nicer (in my opinion).
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1972 Honda CB350F
1976 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Sport
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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2021, 04:21:16 AM »
Paintwork has been styled on the 1975 Sport.  A 1975 round hump seat would look nicer (in my opinion).

I need to check the VIN, maybe it is a 1975 titled as a 1976, as it was common to title vehicles the year they were
sold and not produced.

And yes, I agree 100% on the round hump seat, and will be seeking one.
Classic Honda:
1976 CB400F
1975 CB400F (project)
1975 GL1000
1968 CL175 (1 nice one, one project)
1967 CB77
1967 CB160 (2 of 'em, both projects)
1967 CL160 project
Triumph: 2017 Thruxton R
BMW: 2016 R1200RS, 1975 R90S, 1973 R75/5, 1980 R100S
Ducati: 2013  Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE track beast, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450, 1966 Monza 250
Moto Morini: 1975 (titled 1976) 3 1/2 Strada, w/ Sport clipons.
Moto Guzzi: 2017 V7III Special,  1977 Le Mans, 1974 Eldorado

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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2021, 05:45:17 AM »
My 1976 Sport (motor currently in pieces):



1971 Kawasaki H1A
1972 Honda CB350F
1976 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Sport
1978 Honda CBX
1997 Suzuki Bandit 1200
1999 Ducati Monster 750

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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2021, 07:21:50 AM »
It isn't just the paint work on my bike that is the earlier style, but, the tank and side panels themselves are more rounded, less sharp edges.

That said, yours looks nice too.  Hopefully, you'll get it back on the road soon!
Classic Honda:
1976 CB400F
1975 CB400F (project)
1975 GL1000
1968 CL175 (1 nice one, one project)
1967 CB77
1967 CB160 (2 of 'em, both projects)
1967 CL160 project
Triumph: 2017 Thruxton R
BMW: 2016 R1200RS, 1975 R90S, 1973 R75/5, 1980 R100S
Ducati: 2013  Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE track beast, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450, 1966 Monza 250
Moto Morini: 1975 (titled 1976) 3 1/2 Strada, w/ Sport clipons.
Moto Guzzi: 2017 V7III Special,  1977 Le Mans, 1974 Eldorado

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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2021, 07:24:24 AM »
Such a lovely machine! Congrats.

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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2021, 07:55:10 AM »
Very cool bike.

How'bout a road report once you give it a ride?!
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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2021, 08:07:31 AM »
Very cool bike.

How'bout a road report once you give it a ride?!

Yeah, about that.
I did take it for a quick ride when I got home with it.
It is only running on one cylinder (the front one).

I'll look further into it this weekend when I have time.  The seller's videos showed it running well.   He seems like a decent, honest guy.   When I talked to him last evening, he said to let him know what it ends up being and that he's willing to compensate me for whatever parts it might need.
Classic Honda:
1976 CB400F
1975 CB400F (project)
1975 GL1000
1968 CL175 (1 nice one, one project)
1967 CB77
1967 CB160 (2 of 'em, both projects)
1967 CL160 project
Triumph: 2017 Thruxton R
BMW: 2016 R1200RS, 1975 R90S, 1973 R75/5, 1980 R100S
Ducati: 2013  Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE track beast, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450, 1966 Monza 250
Moto Morini: 1975 (titled 1976) 3 1/2 Strada, w/ Sport clipons.
Moto Guzzi: 2017 V7III Special,  1977 Le Mans, 1974 Eldorado

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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2021, 04:48:54 PM »
Paintwork has been styled on the 1975 Sport.  A 1975 round hump seat would look nicer (in my opinion).

Looking at the few known serial numbers on this site: https://www.motomoriniclub.nl/framenumbers.html, my serial number
falls between two others listed as 1975.   So, I'm thinking my bike is actually a 1975.
Classic Honda:
1976 CB400F
1975 CB400F (project)
1975 GL1000
1968 CL175 (1 nice one, one project)
1967 CB77
1967 CB160 (2 of 'em, both projects)
1967 CL160 project
Triumph: 2017 Thruxton R
BMW: 2016 R1200RS, 1975 R90S, 1973 R75/5, 1980 R100S
Ducati: 2013  Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE track beast, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450, 1966 Monza 250
Moto Morini: 1975 (titled 1976) 3 1/2 Strada, w/ Sport clipons.
Moto Guzzi: 2017 V7III Special,  1977 Le Mans, 1974 Eldorado

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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2021, 03:38:00 PM »
Very cool bike.

How'bout a road report once you give it a ride?!


It is only running on one cylinder (the front one).



Sorry to hear that, keep us posted.
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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2021, 03:53:03 PM »
Make sure the plugs are the correct type and heat range for your bike. Then check points, condenser, HT leads, caps and all ignition. My Benelli drove me nuts until I bought electronic ignition from Sachse Electronik in Germany. No problems since. I think they make a kit for your Morini too. Not cheap, but brilliant design and quality.
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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2021, 03:58:39 PM »
I've already been looking at the Sasche ignition for my Ducati singles.   I am seriously considering one for this too.

First I need to check the stator.   I've been told by a friend who is experienced with Morinis that the stators are a known weakness on these.
They have a dedicated coil for the ignition.  Nominally, that coil should measure 220 ohms.   If it is less than 180 that it is bad.   The varnish
fails over time and causes shorts between adjacent windings.

I'll hopefully have time to check all the above this weekend.  I'm much too busy with work this week to have time to look at it before then.
Classic Honda:
1976 CB400F
1975 CB400F (project)
1975 GL1000
1968 CL175 (1 nice one, one project)
1967 CB77
1967 CB160 (2 of 'em, both projects)
1967 CL160 project
Triumph: 2017 Thruxton R
BMW: 2016 R1200RS, 1975 R90S, 1973 R75/5, 1980 R100S
Ducati: 2013  Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE track beast, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450, 1966 Monza 250
Moto Morini: 1975 (titled 1976) 3 1/2 Strada, w/ Sport clipons.
Moto Guzzi: 2017 V7III Special,  1977 Le Mans, 1974 Eldorado

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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2021, 08:28:43 PM »
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Then check points, condenser, HT leads, caps and all ignition.

The Morini 3 1/2's were one of the first 1970's bikes to have factory electronic ignition...
1971 Kawasaki H1A
1972 Honda CB350F
1976 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Sport
1978 Honda CBX
1997 Suzuki Bandit 1200
1999 Ducati Monster 750

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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2021, 03:46:39 AM »
Update on the 3 1/2...

Update on the running problem.....

Last weekend I checked out the ignition.  The stator coil for the ignition circuit checks out fine.   The problem is definitely fuel and not spark.   I started it up and ran it a bit.   The front cylinder is definitely warming up much more quickly, but, the rear is firing, as it runs real fast if I have the enrichener on for the rear cylinder, much more so than the front, but, in both cases, turning the enrinchener on/off affects the engine speed as it should.   That's all the time I had last weekend.

Wednesday, I had to take the Thruxton to Hermy's for a recall service (side stand spring).  While there, I paid a visit to Herdan Corp (https://herdan.com/) and picked up gasket sets, fuel filters and float needles for the VHB25B Dellortos.

I was about to pull the carbs for a full tear down to inspect and clean, but, first I went for real low-hanging fruit.  I pulled the jet holders and measured the fuel in the bowls, it was about the same.   Just for grins, I swapped the float bowl nuts (which also hold the main jets) started it up, and warmed it up.   It idles way too fast with both enricheners on, so, I alternated them until it was warmed up and got equal temps on the exhaust ports and got it to idle with them both off.   Then I took it for a ride.   It ran great, most of the time, but, sometimes hesitated under 3/4 to full throttle.   I think there is likely gunk of some kind in the holder/jet that was in the rear, and by removing them, I disturbed it enough to get it to at least run on both cylinders.    I’ll pull both out and take the jets out and give them a good cleaning.   It idles fine once warmed up, and is running well aside from the little hesitation that it does under power (thinking main jet gunk), so, I likely won’t pull the rest of the carbs apart if cleaning the main and holders does the job.

Pic after getting back home from riding it late yesterday afternoon.


I definitely love riding the Morini!    It just may be my new favorite vintage bike to ride, a title that my Ducati 750GT has had for the 2 1/2 years that I’ve owned it.  It is like a small block Guzzi, but, much lighter, and of course, the engine runs at higher revs, but, is not buzzy or peaky or anything like that.

It feels as light to ride (though, is actually about 50# heavier) as my Ducati Monza 250, but, with nearly twice the power (not that it is powerful, but, the 250 is kinda slow).    I’d love to be able to find a double drum brake for the from though, as the brakes are a little lacking, but, adequate for its light weight.   It definitely feels more nimble than my '76 Honda CB400F, which is of course, similar in displacement and vintage.
Classic Honda:
1976 CB400F
1975 CB400F (project)
1975 GL1000
1968 CL175 (1 nice one, one project)
1967 CB77
1967 CB160 (2 of 'em, both projects)
1967 CL160 project
Triumph: 2017 Thruxton R
BMW: 2016 R1200RS, 1975 R90S, 1973 R75/5, 1980 R100S
Ducati: 2013  Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE track beast, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450, 1966 Monza 250
Moto Morini: 1975 (titled 1976) 3 1/2 Strada, w/ Sport clipons.
Moto Guzzi: 2017 V7III Special,  1977 Le Mans, 1974 Eldorado

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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2021, 10:36:35 AM »
And it looks fantastic!

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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2021, 11:19:13 AM »
Nice shot with the red bush
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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2021, 09:13:56 PM »
The rubber "stoppers" on the end of the enrichers can harden, allowing more fuel through.  Also, the front cylinder is canted further forward than the rear, so that carburetor has a steeper angle.  Lowering the float height slightly on the front carburetor can improve things.

Having said that, (IMHO) the square slide Dellortos are absolute rubbish.  They are terrific when new, but once the square carburetor body wears out, they will run perpetually rich (the worn body allows the slide to rattle from side to side, the needle then hits the sides of the main jet, wearing out the jet and the needle quick smart).  This is why I went with round slide Mikunis...
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1976 Moto Morini 3 1/2 Sport
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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2021, 12:17:10 AM »
Morini's were my favourite Italian sports bike back in the day, an Army mate had a 500 for awhile and it was a much more reliable bike than his Ducati 900SS that he traded the 500 in for. Those square slide carbs were a problem on Guzzi's too, my mate Pete threw away the square slide Dellorto's on his T3 "special" for a pair of 38mm pumpers on Lemans Heads, Doctor John exhaust, etc etc. I quite like the seat on Jas' new bike, looks very "period". ;D
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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2021, 03:33:35 AM »
The rubber "stoppers" on the end of the enrichers can harden, allowing more fuel through.  Also, the front cylinder is canted further forward than the rear, so that carburetor has a steeper angle.  Lowering the float height slightly on the front carburetor can improve things.

Having said that, (IMHO) the square slide Dellortos are absolute rubbish.  They are terrific when new, but once the square carburetor body wears out, they will run perpetually rich (the worn body allows the slide to rattle from side to side, the needle then hits the sides of the main jet, wearing out the jet and the needle quick smart).  This is why I went with round slide Mikunis...

Thanks for the info, I didn't know about the rubber stoppers on the enricheners, I'll look into replacements.
Yeah, I know that the VHB's are troubling when they age, I've got guzzis too  ;D
The same can be said of the Amal Concentrics on my Guzzi Eldorado (Guzzi used these carbs in place of Dellortos when Dellorto was on strike that year).

Morini's were my favourite Italian sports bike back in the day, an Army mate had a 500 for awhile and it was a much more reliable bike than his Ducati 900SS that he traded the 500 in for. Those square slide carbs were a problem on Guzzi's too, my mate Pete threw away the square slide Dellorto's on his T3 "special" for a pair of 38mm pumpers on Lemans Heads, Doctor John exhaust, etc etc. I quite like the seat on Jas' new bike, looks very "period". ;D

Pete Roper??
Classic Honda:
1976 CB400F
1975 CB400F (project)
1975 GL1000
1968 CL175 (1 nice one, one project)
1967 CB77
1967 CB160 (2 of 'em, both projects)
1967 CL160 project
Triumph: 2017 Thruxton R
BMW: 2016 R1200RS, 1975 R90S, 1973 R75/5, 1980 R100S
Ducati: 2013  Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE track beast, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450, 1966 Monza 250
Moto Morini: 1975 (titled 1976) 3 1/2 Strada, w/ Sport clipons.
Moto Guzzi: 2017 V7III Special,  1977 Le Mans, 1974 Eldorado

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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2021, 03:50:58 AM »
The rubber "stoppers" on the end of the enrichers can harden, allowing more fuel through.  Also, the front cylinder is canted further forward than the rear, so that carburetor has a steeper angle.  Lowering the float height slightly on the front carburetor can improve things.

Having said that, (IMHO) the square slide Dellortos are absolute rubbish.  They are terrific when new, but once the square carburetor body wears out, they will run perpetually rich (the worn body allows the slide to rattle from side to side, the needle then hits the sides of the main jet, wearing out the jet and the needle quick smart).  This is why I went with round slide Mikunis...

Thanks for the info, I didn't know about the rubber stoppers on the enricheners, I'll look into replacements.
Yeah, I know that the VHB's are troubling when they age, I've got guzzis too  ;D
The same can be said of the Amal Concentrics on my Guzzi Eldorado (Guzzi used these carbs in place of Dellortos when Dellorto was on strike that year).

Morini's were my favourite Italian sports bike back in the day, an Army mate had a 500 for awhile and it was a much more reliable bike than his Ducati 900SS that he traded the 500 in for. Those square slide carbs were a problem on Guzzi's too, my mate Pete threw away the square slide Dellorto's on his T3 "special" for a pair of 38mm pumpers on Lemans Heads, Doctor John exhaust, etc etc. I quite like the seat on Jas' new bike, looks very "period". ;D

Pete Roper??


No mate, Peter Dobinson. He sold the T3, bought an LM3 then an LM5, now rides a Honda VTR1000F.;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2021, 04:17:44 PM »
Today probably the last day with the temps around 50F, so, might be the last ride for the little Morini
until spring as I will likely stick to my R1200RS with its wind protection and heated grips until spring.


Classic Honda:
1976 CB400F
1975 CB400F (project)
1975 GL1000
1968 CL175 (1 nice one, one project)
1967 CB77
1967 CB160 (2 of 'em, both projects)
1967 CL160 project
Triumph: 2017 Thruxton R
BMW: 2016 R1200RS, 1975 R90S, 1973 R75/5, 1980 R100S
Ducati: 2013  Monster 796, 2013 848 Evo Corse SE track beast, 1974 750GT, 1970 Mk3d 450, 1966 Monza 250
Moto Morini: 1975 (titled 1976) 3 1/2 Strada, w/ Sport clipons.
Moto Guzzi: 2017 V7III Special,  1977 Le Mans, 1974 Eldorado

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Re: 1976 "Sportified" Moto Morini 3 1/2 Strada
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2021, 07:12:22 AM »
Here too. Quite nice late yesterday, but then Frost this morning and -10C tonight.

Sooner or later the Dept of Roads will be put with a sand truck. That ends it for me.....