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Offline Atlas

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« on: November 28, 2021, 10:46:08 AM »
I have a 350f with a Charlies place electronic ign, Mac 4into1 pipe with #85's for main jets. The bike runs absolutely fantastic and is a joy to ride but my NGK's D8ea plugs  come out black after a few hundred miles. I don't like the idea of changing the jet's because the bike runs so good so i am thinking of going to a hotter plug like a D9. Any thoughts on this?
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Re: sparkplugs
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2021, 10:55:52 AM »
 I think ngk's get colder as the numbers go up, check it out before you buy. My racecar barely idles with 10's until the chambers heat up, it starts and runs great with 9's
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2021, 11:35:01 AM »
Are you reading the plugs after 200 miles? You should do it after a high speed run and a shutdown.....
Could be idle jets that need slimming down?

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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2021, 11:55:18 AM »
What part of the plugs is black? The very end of the thread will always be black. The insulator, that ceramic 'nose' so to speak, that's the part that matters. '9' is colder. The D8ES-L was the prescribed plug for your model. Could be the D8EA is the same, although I'm not sure. Why not fit the standard main jets? No need to pull the rack. You can change them by removing the floatbowls with the rack in situ. Good opportunity to check those tiny O-rings around them are still OK and seal well. But first of all, verify air intake is unobstructed. No cloths under the seat! Airfilter element good?
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Offline Flyin900

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Re: sparkplugs
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2021, 12:37:13 PM »
Here are the specs for the CB350F from the FSM. The D8ESL is half a range hotter (the L designation) than the D8ES or EA plug. Your clearly running a larger main jet based on the factory specs, so as previously suggested look at all regular areas first before making other changes.
These bikes are not a hot running bike overall, so if you do decide to go to a hotter plug then the D7 series is the next heat range down from the (D8ESL plug)

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Re: sparkplugs
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2021, 12:46:50 PM »
 Man, these guys got it covered.
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Offline Deltarider

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Re: sparkplugs
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2021, 01:26:59 PM »
I'm not sure the D8EA plug is the same as the D8ES. It may just as well be the equivalent of the D8ES-L, a plug that was widely used...
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2021, 02:18:47 PM »
Here we go.
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Re: sparkplugs
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2021, 10:01:23 PM »
also check the plug caps resistance.

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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2021, 12:22:12 AM »
Here we go.

Yeah... I've got that one. Just curious what 'special design' could mean.
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