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Offline Brooklyn Bob

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disc brakes
« on: May 04, 2022, 08:31:57 PM »
I've put a '77 CB750K on the road as a covid project.  I've got it running fine but I'm very dissatisfied with the front single caliper brakes.  I've already replaced the whole system, EBC rotor, new aftermarket caliper, EBC HH pads, new brake lines, new aftermarket master cylinder.   Still it takes an inordinate amount of lever effort to stop the bike.  Without the rear brake, which is very powerful, a quick stop would not be possible.  I even changed the master cylinder for a 2004 CBR 600 master in order to increase line pressure, with no significant effect.  The only thing I can think of is the single disc simply doesn't have enough swept area to stop a 500+ pounds bike.  I'm thinking my next step is to convert to double disc.  My first question is, is this a reasonable upgrade?  My right side fork has the mounts for a second caliper.  Did the F or SS models with twin discs use the same single pad calipers as the single disc K model?  It seems the only thing I can't get aftermarket is a front wheel with the hardware and mounts for two rotors.  If that is reasonable path, anyone have such a wheel available?  TIA

Bob

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Re: disc brakes
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2022, 08:45:20 PM »
 The 77/78F came with dual discs and they can also be swapped to Honda 30 or 32mm dual piston calipers.
  I converted my 76F to dual discs also using the same front end you have. There are a few posts here covering the job. Ignore any information about using cb550 or 500 speedometer drives, that is an old wife's tale that won't go away.
 
  Another swap is the early goldwing front end with dual discs.
  I'm surprised your setup isn't better than that.
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Re: disc brakes
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2022, 11:25:43 PM »
You are expecting too much from a 40yr old bike, the brakes at the time were classed as fantastic when compared to pre disc bikes
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Re: disc brakes
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2022, 02:10:06 AM »
Bob
When you say you put on new brake lines, did you use stainless steel lines or just rubber lines?
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Re: disc brakes
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2022, 03:49:40 AM »
Yes you can put a second disc on. Many have done it over the years.
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 1 K2, 4 K6, 1 K8, 1 F1, 1 F3
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: disc brakes
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2022, 04:32:28 AM »
You can certainly add the second disc or just add a better 2 piston caliper. That ebc rotor is a great piece and complimented by a great caliper you can have really good stopping power.
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Re: disc brakes
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2022, 07:55:21 AM »
I don’t believe the CBR 600 master (I think it’s 16mm) will work well with the single 43mm piston that you have. Check out this chart for the proper ratios. You should be able to lock up the front wheel with that setup.
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Re: disc brakes
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2022, 04:25:50 PM »
What master cylinder and what kind of brake lines? I put a modern Nissin radial master and braided plus thinned and drilled OEM rotors by Godffery's Garage on my 750F and they have great stopping power. My 550F just had the OEM master, the thinned and drilled rotor and braided lines. It also stopped really well and I challenged it in the Colorado mountains back in 2017.
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