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Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« on: February 08, 2024, 11:57:03 AM »
I've lived in this 'do whatever you want because it's FINE' sh*thole place and there's a private plane buzzing/practicing stalls over the East end of the city. Repetitively this entitled turd keeps buzzing this area(right over where I reside)up to 10 times,at a time..   >:( >:( >:(
Who can I call who can stop this ??  The local police?   ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
The way things usually work out here is: they tell me to just 'live with it'.. Not !
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2024, 11:59:26 AM »
can you get a tail #  ??   then call the faa  or sheriff dept

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2024, 12:10:05 PM »
Try google. Why litter an SOHC forum with this? Besides, what that pilot is doing is valuable practice to prevent him from crashing his plane into your humble abode should he have catastrophic engine failure. FFS…
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2024, 12:10:56 PM »
I called the local police..  ::)
I've tried calling the FAA;tried a few different phone numbers.. it wasn't helpful.
I don't have binoculars.

No  No and No.

The pilot is required to be responsible,if he's not who can stop him/her ?
« Last Edit: February 08, 2024, 12:14:16 PM by grcamna2 »
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2024, 12:27:53 PM »
can you get a tail #  ??   then call the faa  or sheriff dept

I think the FAA mandates a 1000ft above the tallest obstacle above populated areas and people. Check their website for the form and get a picture of the tail numbers. Pictures with tail numbers, tree tops, or building for altitude reference is better…

Practice is important but it’s safer for my grandchildren at 5,000ft or above.. Allows one a second chance to correct any mistakes before splatting on the ground too…

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/media/Help_FAA_Identify_Low-Flying_Aircraft.pdf
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2024, 12:53:49 PM »
can you get a tail #  ??   then call the faa  or sheriff dept

I think the FAA mandates a 1000ft above the tallest obstacle above populated areas and people. Check their website for the form and get a picture of the tail numbers. Pictures with tail numbers, tree tops, or building for altitude reference is better…

Practice is important but it’s safer for my grandchildren at 5,000ft or above.. Allows one a second chance to correct any mistakes before splatting on the ground too…

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/media/Help_FAA_Identify_Low-Flying_Aircraft.pdf

I hope there are others who can have a look at the same problem locally;possibly have a powerful camera lens to get clear pictures;hey,it's been very cloudy and overcast here lately w/ lots of clouds.
I presently have 0% leverage to correct this irresponsible pilot;this is another example of a person taking advantage of the system.. and so far,getting away with it.
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2024, 11:36:13 AM »
This is the open forum, so I don't see why anyone would oppose this post.

Sounds like a PITA, and that someone practicing stalls could easily find somewhere that's not over a populated area...

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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2024, 01:21:35 PM »
This is the open forum, so I don't see why anyone would oppose this post.

Sounds like a PITA, and that someone practicing stalls could easily find somewhere that's not over a populated area...
Smaller private airfields tend to be among less populated areas. Not to say there aren’t homes, but I doubt this airplane is training over densely populated subdivisions.

Practicing emergency landings is wholly responsible, albeit distracting to some. You want peace and quiet, move to an area where there’s no traffic, no planes, trains, or neighbors. Then you can complain about the infrequent private plane.  ::)
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2024, 02:56:11 PM »
Where I live there is a designated aerobatics "practice" area. As the crow flies it is only about 1 1/2 miles away. Sometimes the pilots forget about that and end up playing outside of the boundaries. A call to Chino airport tower usually ends up with " they are not showing on our radar", but it seems to stop. I think they know the guys that are doing it and  "talk" to them. We have had small planes crash in open lots in the neighborhood in the past. The local Corona airport has no tower so they would refer anyone to Chino. The Chino has alot of classic hotrod planes and a friskier clientele.

There is miles of agriculture and open land around Davis, so just because you see or hear them does not necessarily mean they are flying illegally. I believe the minimum elevation over residential is 1,000 feet.
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2024, 03:34:18 PM »
This particular pilot was right over this block,dive/buzzing us 8 times in succession and it happens regularly,but mostly in the Spring/Summer. I'm fed-up with them.
I don't plan on 'being' the proper authorities.. I just want it to stop;that's someone's job,to enforce it.
I just hope if they crash,they pick an empty lot.
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2024, 03:57:51 PM »
If you call the "proper" authorities then they can investigate it. If you don't want to go through the process of reporting it you are just hiding your head in the sand, and unless they are flying an sohc 4, nobody here can help. I gave you how I  dealt with it around my neighborhood a few posts back, so give it a try. They can tell you what you need to make a proper report.

I can't help any more than that. Good luck.
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2024, 04:18:41 PM »
If you call the "proper" authorities then they can investigate it. If you don't want to go through the process of reporting it you are just hiding your head in the sand, and unless they are flying an sohc 4, nobody here can help. I gave you how I  dealt with it around my neighborhood a few posts back, so give it a try. They can tell you what you need to make a proper report.

I can't help any more than that. Good luck.

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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2024, 06:19:07 PM »
There's an FAA  Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) in Sacramento.  FSDO is the enforcement arm of the FAA.  They should be able to advise you.  Here is some pertinent info.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-F/part-91/subpart-B/subject-group-ECFRe4c59b5f5506932/section-91.119
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2024, 07:06:53 PM »
There's an FAA  Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) in Sacramento.  FSDO is the enforcement arm of the FAA.  They should be able to advise you.  Here is some pertinent info.

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-F/part-91/subpart-B/subject-group-ECFRe4c59b5f5506932/section-91.119

Thanks ofreen.
That is exactly what I was looking for when I first started the thread: much obliged.  ;)
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2024, 08:11:46 PM »
I have lots of private aircraft doing maneuvers over my house all the time. I also have Boeing Dreamliners going over while doing initial flight testing as well as the Navy F18 Super Hornets, occasional F35's, P3 Orians and P8 Poseidons all heading for the firing range outside of Yakima WA. To me it's the sound of freedom, a small price to pay.

Back before Paul Allen died his warbird collection used to fly out of Arlington WA and do maintenance flights right over my house. It was awesome to see Mustangs, Spitfires, Zeros, P 47's, Yaks and many other cool planes go over. It was like a free air show for years.
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2024, 08:20:25 PM »
I have lots of private aircraft doing maneuvers over my house all the time. I also have Boeing Dreamliners going over while doing initial flight testing as well as the Navy F18 Super Hornets, occasional F35's, P3 Orians and P8 Poseidons all heading for the firing range outside of Yakima WA. To me it's the sound of freedom, a small price to pay.

Back before Paul Allen died his warbird collection used to fly out of Arlington WA and do maintenance flights right over my house. It was awesome to see Mustangs, Spitfires, Zeros, P 47's, Yaks and many other cool planes go over. It was like a free air show for years.
Sometimes you just need to go with the flow instead of bucking the current. 8)

Good advice;I'll save it for Later.
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2024, 08:28:38 PM »
I bought a "homestead cabin" on the edge of the Mojave Desert in 1984, located halfway between Apple Valley and Lucerne Valley, CA. The place was in really rough shape, including large holes in the roof. I was kneeling on the roof doing repairs, when suddenly I felt/heard an Air Force jet from the near-by George Air Force Base blast past me from behind, at what seemed like 50 feet over my head. :o :o
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2024, 09:19:29 PM »
I bought a "homestead cabin" on the edge of the Mojave Desert in 1984, located halfway between Apple Valley and Lucerne Valley, CA. The place was in really rough shape, including large holes in the roof. I was kneeling on the roof doing repairs, when suddenly I felt/heard an Air Force jet from the near-by George Air Force Base blast past me from behind, at what seemed like 50 feet over my head. :o :o
After that, I got used to my private air show. ;D ;D

Oh yeah ?
How long did you live there?
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2024, 01:52:35 AM »
The Tom Cruise 2nd Top Gun film had a scene where they buzzed a guard shack at about 100 feet off the deck and it was pretty spectacular bit of fantasy...
It was amusing, the virtual nod to them buzzing the tower

I love aircraft and often have military jets and cargo and Compass Call C130 and soon the new Compass Call is aboard what is normally a small commercial airliner. The only ones that are what I consider loud is the F22 and F35 when they come down to visit from Luke US Air Force Base up in Phoenix. The F18s out of Yuma, F16s out of the National Guard and flight training, the Ukrainians I believe are still going through F16S training. The crazy thing about that is this is a huge difference for them, all the navigation systems for Our aircraft and NATO aircraft is measuring everything in feet and miles and the Russian and Ukrainians are using Meters and Kilometers, as you know, 10 km is 6.2 miles, 35000 feet or 10k feet isn't a standard metric measure...
So, lots of differences. The flight systems and the tasking of the pilot is radically different as the pilot and flight computer gives the pilot a ton of data constantly and you get in an air battle or ground with Sams, manpads, and the like abd things go into overdrive on lots of stuff happening. The US pilots have a ton of money invested in their training and it is complex systems. The Russians tend to get instructed rather than setting up their own thing to a certain level, the decision making structure is different. The rules of engagement are the guidelines the pilots and air crew operate under that military them. The missles use radically different targeting and the planes will have to get fitted with NATO and USA armament, as the flight and fire co trol systems have to use the same units of measure to program them on their targets...not that compasses are different...
Just everything has to talk together to work.
Sorry rabbit hole.

Bill sorry that you are being irritated by the planes, I enjoy it.
Could be in farming area  where crop dusters are doing insecticides and aerial crop dusting of chemicals, those guys are amazing to watch and they legally can fly 1-200 feet off the ground and lower... They are typically flying below the telephone/power pole wires svd have to pop up at the end of a field to avoid the wires and stall turn, Immelman maneuver to take the next pass.  Those guys are fantastic pilots and sometimes they are having to time their crashing if a roadway and sometimes they can fly below the power lines...yeah they can do that. Gets interesting when they knife edge pass in front of a semi truck or between two semis passing in opposite directions... Those guys know their planes well enough to do this and not cause accidents... The truckers get used to it...they don't go calling to complain. It is a necessary thing the crop dusters have to do, slowing their approach to cross the load later affects the yield of what they are spreading and could be bad for the crops...so, they have a window of speed they have to stay within...

Aerobatics may not be necessary training for advanced pilots but it is fun, some planes are t built for it, the Cessna 150 unless it has upgraded wings and tail surfaces wasn't built for very high Gloads, the 152 Acrobat was built to handle it and had upgraded airfrane and power plant.

You don't like where you are living, this likely influences your perceptions of everything that happens in your life. Your perspective is not doing your health any good, cortisol released when stressed and upset is not a good thing
Changing your outlook and what you allow yourself to do or not do as a result of these things needs modified on how you react & what you need to do of how you react.
It isnt good for your health.

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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2024, 05:22:51 AM »
As a professional pilot and a responsible student pilot back in the day, we would never practise stalls or other training manuevers,  especially stalls, at  the low altitude you are implying. That would be suicide. I am not saying he isn't, but I am not there to see. We normally did not start any manuever under 3000 feet. I personally never practiced slow flight or stalls under 5000 ft. It's not just because of the manuever either, the engine could fail at any time.
I don't know your area, or if an airport big or small, controlled or uncontrolled is near you. It could all be legal and your altitude guess is off.
There are altitude restrictions as stated, but horizontal restrictions are a part of that also. In other words, it's like an invisible "column" around the obstacle/s airspace to be avoided. 1000' above, 1000' around, stuff like that. I always chuckled at those regulations, where is the tape measure 😳.
If in fact he is buzzing you, he should be low enough to see the "N" number without binoculars. If in fact he is illegally operating the aircraft, I would not like it either.
Are you the only one?

I'd like to see a video. You should take  one and post it. And pictures of the aircraft.

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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2024, 06:08:22 AM »
this is a sectional chart. I'm late for a bike show. So I can't find Davis on here yet.
Show me, if you can.....The airspace looks busy...

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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2024, 07:34:23 AM »
can you get a tail #  ??   then call the faa  or sheriff dept

I think the FAA mandates a 1000ft above the tallest obstacle above populated areas and people. Check their website for the form and get a picture of the tail numbers. Pictures with tail numbers, tree tops, or building for altitude reference is better…

Practice is important but it’s safer for my grandchildren at 5,000ft or above.. Allows one a second chance to correct any mistakes before splatting on the ground too…

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/media/Help_FAA_Identify_Low-Flying_Aircraft.pdf


Once again: The link helps you organize what promotes a successful investigation and the phone number to get it started…. If they’re actually doing acrobatics and stall maneuvers over your subdivision go to the plane and get the numbers….

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/media/Help_FAA_Identify_Low-Flying_Aircraft.pdf

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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2024, 08:23:19 AM »
Keyword…”congested “
The aircraft may very well be legal at 500’.

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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2024, 08:39:27 AM »
this is a sectional chart. I'm late for a bike show. So I can't find Davis on here yet.
Show me, if you can.....The airspace looks busy...

Davis is just outside the red circle just past 7 o'clock.
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Re: Looking to report a small plane buzzing the area.. FAA ???
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2024, 09:11:13 AM »
The Tom Cruise 2nd Top Gun film had a scene where they buzzed a guard shack at about 100 feet off the deck and it was pretty spectacular bit of fantasy...
It was amusing, the virtual nod to them buzzing the tower

I love aircraft and often have military jets and cargo and Compass Call C130 and soon the new Compass Call is aboard what is normally a small commercial airliner. The only ones that are what I consider loud is the F22 and F35 when they come down to visit from Luke US Air Force Base up in Phoenix. The F18s out of Yuma, F16s out of the National Guard and flight training, the Ukrainians I believe are still going through F16S training. The crazy thing about that is this is a huge difference for them, all the navigation systems for Our aircraft and NATO aircraft is measuring everything in feet and miles and the Russian and Ukrainians are using Meters and Kilometers, as you know, 10 km is 6.2 miles, 35000 feet or 10k feet isn't a standard metric measure...
So, lots of differences. The flight systems and the tasking of the pilot is radically different as the pilot and flight computer gives the pilot a ton of data constantly and you get in an air battle or ground with Sams, manpads, and the like abd things go into overdrive on lots of stuff happening. The US pilots have a ton of money invested in their training and it is complex systems. The Russians tend to get instructed rather than setting up their own thing to a certain level, the decision making structure is different. The rules of engagement are the guidelines the pilots and air crew operate under that military them. The missles use radically different targeting and the planes will have to get fitted with NATO and USA armament, as the flight and fire co trol systems have to use the same units of measure to program them on their targets...not that compasses are different...
Just everything has to talk together to work.
Sorry rabbit hole.

Bill sorry that you are being irritated by the planes, I enjoy it.
Could be in farming area  where crop dusters are doing insecticides and aerial crop dusting of chemicals, those guys are amazing to watch and they legally can fly 1-200 feet off the ground and lower... They are typically flying below the telephone/power pole wires svd have to pop up at the end of a field to avoid the wires and stall turn, Immelman maneuver to take the next pass.  Those guys are fantastic pilots and sometimes they are having to time their crashing if a roadway and sometimes they can fly below the power lines...yeah they can do that. Gets interesting when they knife edge pass in front of a semi truck or between two semis passing in opposite directions... Those guys know their planes well enough to do this and not cause accidents... The truckers get used to it...they don't go calling to complain. It is a necessary thing the crop dusters have to do, slowing their approach to cross the load later affects the yield of what they are spreading and could be bad for the crops...so, they have a window of speed they have to stay within...

Aerobatics may not be necessary training for advanced pilots but it is fun, some planes are t built for it, the Cessna 150 unless it has upgraded wings and tail surfaces wasn't built for very high Gloads, the 152 Acrobat was built to handle it and had upgraded airfrane and power plant.

You don't like where you are living, this likely influences your perceptions of everything that happens in your life. Your perspective is not doing your health any good, cortisol released when stressed and upset is not a good thing
Changing your outlook and what you allow yourself to do or not do as a result of these things needs modified on how you react & what you need to do of how you react.
It isnt good for your health.

David

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I think we’re on the same page as for our love for flight.. Walker AFB 😁

However I read his complaint as more of an annoyance with the purposeful disregard for safety and Statutes…instead of any disdain in his personal endeavors, past of present..

Locally we have those that are entitled too. Not just overhead.  Where they are the continual exception to the rules that we average ones must submit to or be subjugated to..

I enjoy a professional airshow as much as everyone else especially the thunderbirds or blue angels.. During the airshows I’ve attended, all the aerobatics and flybys were performed adjacent to not above “overhead” the assembled crowd…Fire, Rescue, Paramedics, and Law enforcement were present to respond and prevent access to dangerous or restricted areas..

I understand his overhead concerns, I lost my best friend and his family from a low flying incident in 1981..
regardless of who was at fault they are gone forever.

Like you,  I love to watch a pair of Fighter jets playing around with each other above. I enjoy as well the local cropdusters earning a day’s wage…A pair of F4’s used to do this twice a week over our small farm in 77. You could see the outlines of the landing gear compartments. Once they even kicked up the powered dirt on the field’s ridge road. Did I feel unsafe ? No, I knew one of the pilots, knew his daddy, and his mother was my fifth grade teacher. A few times we got to go outside at grade school to see the two play over a field within view..

I would never compare the disciplined approach of a military trained jet pilot’s abilities, performance, attitude, aptitude, and fitness compared to a small private plane’s counterpart. Especially one who’s entitled enough to ignore the safety of my children or grandchildren.

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