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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2024, 12:04:37 PM »
If the compression is too much (like over 10%) then in about 6-8 months the carb holes will split from the slow, constant pressure, ruining the carbs. I won't go into HOW I know this little factoid, other than to say it was an expensive lesson. :(

Ohhhhhhhhh dang. thank you for saying that. I was going to opt to go over-tight rather than under tight. but ill air on the looser side. My calipers measured 9.33mm on the original oring, but it was so old and hard I cant say for sure that it was the correct original size. im going to see if 9mm OD o-rings work, unless anyone knows the precise original values, which i cant find listed anywhere

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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2024, 02:29:42 PM »
You dont spec O rings on od you spec them on id and cross section
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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2024, 04:53:10 PM »
Ok, new question, same carbs. The drain nipple on the bowl of #1 is…soldered? Or at least clogged? Anyone know if this is on purpose, or why it would be done?


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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2024, 04:59:03 PM »
Probably the pipe inside the floarbowl is cracked along its length so would leak if that was not plugged so its been done deliberately, not in my opinion a good idea as if the float needle does not shut off properly instead of fuel comming out of there it would pour into engine
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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2024, 05:11:16 PM »
I see....So presumably i could remove the solder here, fill the bowl (while its off the carb) and see if im getting leaks. If i am...what would the remedy be? are you able to replace that brass?

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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2024, 06:29:21 PM »
Technically no but i have always wendered if you could drill and tap the hole the screw in some brass tube, its probably easier to get a used float bowl.

Consensus is that if water gets into the inner tube and freezez it can crack the tube
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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #31 on: August 16, 2024, 08:22:24 PM »
Well...darn. Youre right. I took a look at that tube and its cracked top to bottom. hmmm. any other options come to mind? could i solder the crack? would be a bit tough but i do enjoy a good solder challenge. any external covering that would hold up to the gas — something like a heat shrink?

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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2024, 08:32:43 PM »
Heat shrink wont work, sldering maybe but you have to not fill the tube, easiest is used bowl
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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2024, 08:40:36 PM »
Something similar might work, if the crack doesn't go all the way thru the bowl itself. I've often found gas weeps around the little pipe itself (when the pipe was good), and fixed those with the "gas tank sealant" epoxy found at auto parts stores. I used it on both sides of the bowl, above and below, to stop the weep thru the bad joint (corrosion from water probably did it: water corrodes these zinc-alloy metals).

If the pipe is cracked full length, then it will weep in the portion between the bowl and the outside (bottom), even if the pipe were soldered along the crack on both upper and lower ends. I tried that: it still weeped (CB750 bowl) right at the outer joint site. These little pipes were cast-in-place with the bowl when they were made. When the pipe cracks, it pretty well dooms the float bowl, sad to say. The ones I've seen cracked were plugged on their bottom ends with crud, then the bowls had water in them (deeply) and the water (condensation, slowly) got inside the brass pipe, and froze one day. When the brass moved (during the freeze) it also compromised the seal between the brass and the zinc bowl.
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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #34 on: August 16, 2024, 08:56:18 PM »
I managed to solder one recently, but it took 3 tries and it was for a cl350k2...but really similar.  First Hondaman is right.  You do have to get the solder to seal around the base of the tube.   And be careful that your solder is not too globby or the tube will interfere with those leaf spring thingies that hold the jets in.
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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2024, 09:58:25 PM »
550 K3 dont have the leaf springs
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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2024, 10:34:23 AM »
Ok so I think I have another soldering success story on my hands. It’s not pretty, but it seems to be working. I filled the bowl and no leaks, and the tube is still clear. My process, in case it helps anyone (I’m not an expert although I did do aircraft maintenance in the past), was to use a gas torch to carefully heat-saturate the tube - then I put on flux along that crack only, then with it angled at 45deg (crack down to discourage flowing into the stem) I soldered the crack using very thin solder and a electronics-pencil icon at 415deg.

I guess we’ll find out if this was a dumb idea later 😂

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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2024, 04:39:32 PM »
Ok so I think I have another soldering success story on my hands. It’s not pretty, but it seems to be working. I filled the bowl and no leaks, and the tube is still clear. My process, in case it helps anyone (I’m not an expert although I did do aircraft maintenance in the past), was to use a gas torch to carefully heat-saturate the tube - then I put on flux along that crack only, then with it angled at 45deg (crack down to discourage flowing into the stem) I soldered the crack using very thin solder and a electronics-pencil icon at 415deg.

I guess we’ll find out if this was a dumb idea later 😂
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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2024, 08:18:57 PM »
Nice work! When I've tried the hot-solder approach (above about 340 degrees) I always louse it up with the solder boiling (it's the flux, really) and the resulting finish certainly not being able to stop leaks! You have a very light touch. ;)
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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2024, 11:19:18 AM »
For fuel tubes, rather than 3D print, try these.... a bit pricey but hey....
https://4into1.com/ttr400-carburetor-connectors-honda-cb350f-cb400f/

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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #40 on: August 18, 2024, 01:41:50 PM »
Oh cool, didn’t know about those. I already ordered my 3d model SLS nylon printed (my 3d printer probably isn’t high quality enough). If they work I’ll report back and maybe we can have a cheaper alternative

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Re: CB350F carb — fuel overflow from odd location?
« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2024, 04:48:06 PM »
So folks - how important are the felt washer things on the slide arm shaft…cause oooopsies