Author Topic: CB550F vs. 550K Exhausts + Needle & Jet Choice Hypotheticals  (Read 2472 times)

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Offline nopivnick

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Am I correct in assuming that the CB550K's 4to4 pipes are less restrictive than the F's 4to1 pipes simply by virtue of the larger total volume the exhaust is free to pass through?

I've got aftermarket 4to1 pipes. Let's say I were to gut the muffler (remove the baffles and packing), that would make the exhaust less restrictive, no?

Does the degree/quotient/whatever of exhaust restriction (is this referred to as back pressure?) effect performance across the entire throttle spectrum, or just the mid to high end, or what?

Is the degree of 'exhaust restrictiveness' likely to influence main jet size and/or needle position and if so in what way? Up or down?

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Re: CB550F vs. 550K Exhausts + Needle & Jet Choice Hypotheticals
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2005, 11:52:29 PM »
I can only answer question two definatively as yes.

Perhaps this link will help as to why the other answers aren't straightforward.

http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Miscellaneous/exhausttheory.htm

Most of us don't know how to characterize the flow characteristics of the stock exhaust sytem over the operating band.  Likewise, I've yet to see any data charaterizing aftermarket exhausts beyond manufacturer's claims of "Improved" or "Better".  The same dilema exists for the air filtering side, too. If such flow charateristic charts or data were available, you might be able to predict some kind of mixture change requirements.
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Re: CB550F vs. 550K Exhausts + Needle & Jet Choice Hypotheticals
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2005, 08:01:13 AM »
there's also a paradox operating with an aftermarket exhaust: in order to sell them, the maker might want the buyer to believe it will improve flow via scavenging effect, tapering, etc. (possibly legitimate claims) -- but many mfr's also claim their units don't require rejetting!  (so they don't lose a sale to "ah, screw it, i'll stick with stock and avoid the hassle...")

well, to avoid trouble in the longer term (if you're the mfr), the exhaust had certainly better not make the bike perform noticeably worse, right?  nor should it skew the mixture too far one way or another, affecting mileage, burning valves, and so on.

and what was honda really after with that sticker on the swingarm, "altering exhaust may affect performance, blah, blah"?  on the one hand, they know what they're doing, and you can't go wrong with stock pipes.  but if they guilt you into buying their pipes a few times, the sticker's pretty much paid for itself, hasn't it?

if you remove the baffling, yes, your pipes are theoretically less restrictive to the exhaust gases within.  but they may restrict where, when, and how comfortably you can ride if you sound like a bazooka.  by all means, give it a try.....  :)

use the force, luke.

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Re: CB550F vs. 550K Exhausts + Needle & Jet Choice Hypotheticals
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2005, 12:04:51 PM »
I dont want to hijack the thread, but I have a 550 that's about to come alive again after years of waiting dormant.
I am going to have pods, a hotter cam and springs , and aftermarket exhaust of course.  Does the list recommend reaming the jets and stepping the clip upward on the needles?  I can't seem to uncover an exact answer?  Oh and when the needle says #100 is that .100mm or 1.00 mm ?

Seems silly but I can't find that answer....

Thanks in advance of course


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Re: CB550F vs. 550K Exhausts + Needle & Jet Choice Hypotheticals
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2005, 12:37:53 PM »
#100 Jets have 1.00mm diameter holes. #98 jets are 0.98 mm, #120 jets are 1.20mm dia.

You might want to look at this thread, too:
http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=1925.0

You have changed all the breathing characteristics of your engine.  And, probably in a way no one else has.  If you can provide data as to just how the breathing characteristics have changed. It would be a useful clue for predicting mixture changes required.  Be sure to add multiple throttle settings to your characteristics chart.
The needle taper profile, diameter, length and clip position will be tuned to these parameters.

Probably the hardest thing to do will be to load the engine at the various throttle positions.
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Re: CB550F vs. 550K Exhausts + Needle & Jet Choice Hypotheticals
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2005, 12:46:20 PM »
Two tired... Do you know of a good source for the reamer kits to do this modification?
I found http://www.cbperformance.com/catalog.asp?ProductID=525 but the guy can.t seem to make it clear if the range is .35mm to 2.00mm or .200mm.. f you look ,the range doesn't make sense.

If someone has a better dealer, PLEASE let me know.

I want to ream the jets yesterday...

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Re: CB550F vs. 550K Exhausts + Needle & Jet Choice Hypotheticals
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2005, 01:01:14 PM »
Blackbird, that's a great pointer!  Thanks!
The reamers would cover Jet sizes from #35 to #200 and should leave a nice smooth flowing hole if used carefully.  I don't like their staroge container though.  It allows the cutting surfaces to grind on each other.  This could ruin their precision.

The have measuring guages, too!

I don't know of any other sources, sorry.

Seems like a pretty good solution for those hard to find jets.

The next challenge is to find a needle taper profiler...

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