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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2025, 08:06:42 PM »
Thanks, Newday!
I found a used one on eBay, at least I don't have to BUILD one.
Who would drill through the tensioner rod? They also offset that hole with their drill bit, taking all the threads off one side of the hole, so threading in the stop bolt doesn't apply much force onto the shaft to hold it in place. All the chips are still packed inside the hole for the rod, which was why I had to drive the tensioner rod out from behind, with a punch and (no small) hammer. I'll have to pick the chips out and probably Helicoil or Keensert the hole, if I can make a bushing to hold a new drill bit to the center of the now-offset hole.

My lathe is busy with a swingarm rebuild, so that's gonna have to get done first, I guess.

This bike must have sounded like a calliope when running...  ::)
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2025, 08:02:56 AM »
Wow, that's too bad, fixing it will be a challenge. Hopefully there aren't any more such surprises!!
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2025, 08:23:14 PM »
Hondaman.. looking forward to seeing your progress.
I am assuming you have riden these 350F bikes before?
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1970 CT70  CANDY SAPPHIRE BLUE
1971 CT70H CANDY TOPAZ ORANGE
1972 CT70H CANDY EMERALD GREEN
1973 CL200 CANDY RIVIERA BLUE
1974 CB350F GLORY BLUE BLACK METALLIC
1973 CB350F FLAKE MATADOR RED
1975 CB360T LIGHT RUBY RED
1975 CB400F VARNISH BLUE
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2025, 05:07:09 AM »
Following progress......

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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2025, 09:29:37 AM »
Hondaman.. looking forward to seeing your progress.
I am assuming you have riden these 350F bikes before?

Oh, yeah...when they first came out, they would show up in my shop for their 300 mile checkups. Then when I moved to Colorado and worked in shops here, they showed up nonstop. When the 400F came out it was a virtual parade. They were (and still are) very popular "canyon racers" here. Most today are the 400F bikes, due to their much-increased HP and 6th gear, but there are MANY 350F bikes around the Denver area, mostly in poor shape like mine for lack of parts and for lack of mechanics who appreciate them.

I'm the latter...when one could throw a leg over the seat after a gas station fillup and literally touch the "go button" to make it run (you'd never even hear the starter, it would just run), I was hooked. I just never had a situation, in my whole life, where I could have the chance to [build and] ride one of my own, until now. I would like to make it a 'mini' of my 750, maybe installing a Quicksilver fairing on it so they look related in the garage. I'm selling my old Explorer to raise the $$ for the project: I have 3 cars and a motorhome, and the insurance has tripled since Biden was king. One has to go!
See SOHC4shop.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2025, 01:11:58 PM »
Hondaman.. looking forward to seeing your progress.
I am assuming you have riden these 350F bikes before?

Oh, yeah...when they first came out, they would show up in my shop for their 300 mile checkups. Then when I moved to Colorado and worked in shops here, they showed up nonstop. When the 400F came out it was a virtual parade. They were (and still are) very popular "canyon racers" here. Most today are the 400F bikes, due to their much-increased HP and 6th gear, but there are MANY 350F bikes around the Denver area, mostly in poor shape like mine for lack of parts and for lack of mechanics who appreciate them.

I'm the latter...when one could throw a leg over the seat after a gas station fillup and literally touch the "go button" to make it run (you'd never even hear the starter, it would just run), I was hooked. I just never had a situation, in my whole life, where I could have the chance to [build and] ride one of my own, until now. I would like to make it a 'mini' of my 750, maybe installing a Quicksilver fairing on it so they look related in the garage. I'm selling my old Explorer to raise the $$ for the project: I have 3 cars and a motorhome, and the insurance has tripled since Biden was king. One has to go!

Now that I have the 2 of them it is by far the most enjoyable bikes  I have ever ridden.
They are truly Gems.
Now I understand why Soichiro said it was his favorite bike they ever produced.
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1970 CT70  CANDY SAPPHIRE BLUE
1971 CT70H CANDY TOPAZ ORANGE
1972 CT70H CANDY EMERALD GREEN
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1974 CB350F GLORY BLUE BLACK METALLIC
1973 CB350F FLAKE MATADOR RED
1975 CB360T LIGHT RUBY RED
1975 CB400F VARNISH BLUE
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2025, 06:51:31 PM »
Ozzy: mine was once Candy Red like your beauty, and it has one (left) side cover in black like your other one! :)
For many years here there was a custom bike shop called Axel's, next door to the machine shop who does my work. The owner there is a guy about 15 years younger than me, a Japanese guy who immigrated here in the 1980s and opened his bike shop after working at various Japanese shops around town. He grew up near the Honda factory and worked on the line making CB750, CB550 and at the end the CX500 V-twins. During his tenure on the CX500 line, he said Sochiro would ride his Bacchus Olive CB350F right up to the production lines (indoors, sort of open-air factory arrangements) and discern any troubles, then would work alongside the assemblers to find a solution, then hop back on his 350F to ride back to the Engineering group(s) to work out the solutions. He said everyone in the factory liked Sochiro and was very proud to work at Honda: it wasn't easy to get a job there.
See SOHC4shop.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2025, 08:19:26 PM »
Ozzy: mine was once Candy Red like your beauty, and it has one (left) side cover in black like your other one! :)
For many years here there was a custom bike shop called Axel's, next door to the machine shop who does my work. The owner there is a guy about 15 years younger than me, a Japanese guy who immigrated here in the 1980s and opened his bike shop after working at various Japanese shops around town. He grew up near the Honda factory and worked on the line making CB750, CB550 and at the end the CX500 V-twins. During his tenure on the CX500 line, he said Sochiro would ride his Bacchus Olive CB350F right up to the production lines (indoors, sort of open-air factory arrangements) and discern any troubles, then would work alongside the assemblers to find a solution, then hop back on his 350F to ride back to the Engineering group(s) to work out the solutions. He said everyone in the factory liked Sochiro and was very proud to work at Honda: it wasn't easy to get a job there.

Excellent.  :)
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2025, 01:14:42 PM »
The engine cases are in the machine shop for a bath while I look for pieces. The gasket surface of the clutch cover was cold-cast (mold was not quite hot enough) enough that the gasket's sealing surface over the upper 50% of the cover is concave, even after Honda table-ground it flat: this meant it weeped oil there when the engine was real hot (it was covered with oil when I started, hard to tell from where). The PO had added silicone sealant to the gasket to make it seal in that area (argh...), so now I'll have to tear down the oil pump to see if any is hiding in there. These was some in the oil filter.
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2025, 07:49:44 AM »
Can you imagine a scene like that in an American factory?
The 350 project is wonderful to witness
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2025, 06:48:01 PM »
The gasket surface of the clutch cover was cold-cast (mold was not quite hot enough) enough that the gasket's sealing surface over the upper 50% of the cover is concave, even after Honda table-ground it flat
Wow! I wonder how that slipped past Honda's normally excellent quality control inspections???
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2025, 07:55:57 PM »
The gasket surface of the clutch cover was cold-cast (mold was not quite hot enough) enough that the gasket's sealing surface over the upper 50% of the cover is concave, even after Honda table-ground it flat
Wow! I wonder how that slipped past Honda's normally excellent quality control inspections???

You speak my mind!
I have only previously seen it (that I remember?) in some of the 750F2/3 cases, usually also their clutch cover that stands slightly 'wider' than the earlier covers for those slipper-plate clutches. Not many, though.

In the 1970s Suzuki bikes they were more common (those 2-stroke triples).
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The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2025, 08:00:17 AM »
How do you plan to remedy the gasket surface? Sounds like a tough one.
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2025, 08:11:09 AM »
How do you plan to remedy the gasket surface? Sounds like a tough one.

They're out there for cheap... Ebay has some in the $15 range (and a mislabelled 400F cover as a 350F for anyone looking for one of those!).

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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2025, 11:55:03 AM »
How do you plan to remedy the gasket surface? Sounds like a tough one.
I asked the machine shop if they thought they could flat-grind it in the table grinder: they're going to give it a shot.

How do you plan to remedy the gasket surface? Sounds like a tough one.

They're out there for cheap... Ebay has some in the $15 range (and a mislabelled 400F cover as a 350F for anyone looking for one of those!).

Thanks, CC! I'll keep this in mind if the table doesn't work out. It has before, but it's been some 15 years or so since then?
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The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2025, 08:18:37 AM »
Photos of that process would be fun!
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2025, 10:02:56 AM »
Photos of that process would be fun!

I'll ask Bryce (at the machine shop) if I can take a pic of it next time I'm there.

I did that for someone who wanted to see the "boring machine" used on his 750 resto I did long ago. Their boring fixture is a [very] heavy chunk of iron that sits by itself on the floor,with 250-lb base and 100-lb upper carriage and 4 geared drives (to 1 motor) with selectable up-down gear drives. It's from the 1960s (didn't see a brand). It will do our inline engines from the bottom up (they clamp in upside-down): the other one is a big cradle for the V-block engines, and is bigger than my dining room table. It has to be set up for the angle of those cylinders, tilting the whole block over to vertical, and can do up to 4 bores at once, also top-down vertically. It's a "relic" form the V8 days but can do [up to] V12 engines, too: they used to build lots and lots of racing engines for the local crowd before Bandimere Speedway closed down a couple of years ago.
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The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #42 on: October 19, 2025, 08:14:35 AM »
Big machine shop tools are pretty impressive. At my long ago job at the shipyard we had a vertical turret lathe that had a 30 foot diameter table, it appeared in an old Eddie Murphy movie once (called Metro I think). We once had the large impellers from I think Hoover Dam in there for some work. Fun stuff.
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2025, 02:12:52 PM »
Those monster machines are really cool! When I worked in the oilfield he had to go to Houston's Stewart & Stevenson shop where some of our big fluid-blending trucks were being revamped. There were some ship engines there, which were a "modular" inline design that could be ordered in many configurations, and were considered a "low profile" design for 'small' ships. The cylinders were more than 3 foot bore (I think it was 40") and could be as big as 6-foot bore, each cylinder got bolted to the last one as they built the engine. I was invited (and did!) to stand on the piston of the last cylinder that had been bolted on, I was waist-deep in the stroke, up to the deck: it had over 5 foot stroke! The intake and exhaust manifolds were being bolted to the head that was hung above me, also mighty big, so I didn't stay in the engine very long(!).

One of the guys I worked with had been on some of the [older] large oil tanker ships, used to move crude from the Mideast to USA back then. He was an engine mechanic: the ships' 3 engines were "walk-in" design, where you put on a raincoat and helmet (like an astronaut helmet) if you wanted to walk into the engine under the crankshaft while it ran (dangerous!). The doors into the crankcase area were rubber-gasketed all around the outer sides (still greasy) and the crankcase was almost 10 feet high inside. The engine received oil into the rod bearing from an individual pump on each cylinder, and inspection was required every 4 hours while running at sea. Sometime they would shut down the engine being inspected: then you just needed the monkey suit and not the helmet, which made things much easier to check and see. The ones he serviced were 2-stroke diesel types, fuel being fed by large pumps and sprayers making a supercharged-type fueling system. Cool stuff!
See SOHC4shop.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

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Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #44 on: October 20, 2025, 07:51:06 AM »
Very cool, huge stuff
The 350F is like a watch by comparison.
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2025, 01:26:02 AM »
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2025, 07:41:28 AM »
The little Honda fours were such tiny little sewing machine like engines, they just purr along like perpetual motion machines.
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2025, 10:25:56 AM »

Wow, this one looks like part of the frame is missing!
Sort of like the old Honda SuperHawks of the 1960s. When I first saw the one I ended up with (1969), I thought the owner was pulling my leg, or something!
See SOHC4shop.com for info about the gadgets I make for these bikes.

The demons are repulsed when a man does good. Use that.
Blood is thicker than water, but motor oil is thicker yet...so, don't mess with my SOHC4, or I might have to hurt you.
Hondaman's creed: "Bikers are family. Treat them accordingly."

Link to Hondaman Ignition: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=67543.0

Link to My CB750 Book: https://www.lulu.com/search?adult_audience_rating=00&page=1&pageSize=10&q=my+cb750+book
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« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2025, 10:32:27 AM »
Nice  8) ;)
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Re: Here we go: the CB350F rebuild.
« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2025, 10:34:55 AM »
The little Honda fours were such tiny little sewing machine like engines, they just purr along like perpetual motion machines.

I once read an article about a 125cc Four (racer) Honda was developing. I don't know if they ever did it, but it was based on their 50cc twin with DOHC top end. About that time, Honda sold a 125cc twin, which was popular in the Chicago area where I lived for a while in the late 1960s. Those little twins could run 60 MPH, but in the end they (among other similar little bikes) led to the infamous Chicago "you must be this big to use the freeway" signs. You could get ticketed for riding a bike of less than 150cc (I think it was 150) on the freeways, then. I suppose it was about top-end speeds: this was before the 55 MPH limit came around, and the freeways there were a free-for-all, with the ever-bigger Detroit V-8 engines taking the front of the line all the time. While the posted limit was 65 MPH, I only drove the Dan Ryan Expressway once in my 289 cu. in. Galaxie because flat-out I couldn't keep up!

Still, I would have liked to have tried a 4-cylinder, 18,000 RPM 125cc pocket bike on that road... ;)
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