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Offline Raul CB750K1

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Re: Some thoughts on "Biker Build Off"
« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2007, 07:23:56 AM »
I have had the chance to see episodes 10 to 20 and, seriously -no pun intended-, each one gets more hilarious. The one of "Exile cycles vs Detroit brothers". One of the Detroit bros used to work for Exile's Russell Mitchel. Mitchell sends them some books for beginners and the guy get's crazy!!! As a proof of how well designed and forethought those bikes are, they guys design the bike with a left foot clutch and no front brake. So, when stopping, right foot on the brake and left foot on the clutch, so down with the bike!!! Finally they had to give up and use a Exile's trademark, the twistgrip clutch. And the put spikes on top of the tank. I hope they never have a head-on collision.




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Re: Some thoughts on "Biker Build Off"
« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2007, 03:12:27 PM »
god bless the TLC discovery channel...... The Tuttles are like a train wreck.... they have the best equipped shop on the planet - hands down.  Unfortunately they have zero design skills.  Some of the guys on Biker build-off are closer to artists than builders.... Some are hacks with a nice shop and tons of bad-ass equipment.  Chica, Indian Larry are 2 of my favorites.  There is an episode in the can for jap bikes - don't know when it will air.  Biker build-off has suffered as of late.... most of the truly gifted builders are celebrities now, and that show is really a whipping.  I have first hand knowledge.... I'm on an episode of Biker build off with a buddy of mine....it 's fun, but I wouldn't want to do it more than once or twice.  The exposure some of these guys get is invaluable....for example, my buddy received FREE of charge:  a 6' engine lathe, metal cutting bandsaw, drill press, new welders - mig, tig & torches along with the coolest tool I've ever seen - an Anoka power hammer....If you can visualize it you can make it out of metal.  We were talking one night after building & he thought that that single episode saved him about 5 years in accumulating equipment.  The bike I helped with was fabricated by us (when I say "us" I mean him w/ me lending a helping hand.)  Tanks fenders etc  all metal - NO FILLER-  He is, outside of my pops, one of the best metal workers I've worked with.  He had a good mentor - his last job was working for Chip Foose - one of the best builder/designers that there has ever been.    It's not really his or my style, but it's impressive close up and is actually a very comfortable ride.  Not as nimble as the sohc's, but a great cruiser.   check out www.fullerhotrods.comhttp://  it's the bike that pops up first..... that rear tire is 32" tall!

Most bikes are  sold "as is" with the buyer having to take care of the legalities (titleiing, inspections etc) And many have waivers that are signed as well when you take ownership of the bike.

It's funny, I #$%* and moan and pick most of those cookie cutter bikes apart when I watch the shows, but I have my TIVO set to record all of them......
« Last Edit: May 02, 2007, 03:15:26 PM by greenjeans »
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Re: Some thoughts on "Biker Build Off"
« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2007, 03:35:55 PM »
god bless the TLC discovery channel...... The Tuttles are like a train wreck.... they have the best equipped shop on the planet - hands down.  Unfortunately they have zero design skills.  Some of the guys on Biker build-off are closer to artists than builders.... Some are hacks with a nice shop and tons of bad-ass equipment.  Chica, Indian Larry are 2 of my favorites.  There is an episode in the can for jap bikes - don't know when it will air.  Biker build-off has suffered as of late.... most of the truly gifted builders are celebrities now, and that show is really a whipping.  I have first hand knowledge.... I'm on an episode of Biker build off with a buddy of mine....it 's fun, but I wouldn't want to do it more than once or twice.  The exposure some of these guys get is invaluable....for example, my buddy received FREE of charge:  a 6' engine lathe, metal cutting bandsaw, drill press, new welders - mig, tig & torches along with the coolest tool I've ever seen - an Anoka power hammer....If you can visualize it you can make it out of metal.  We were talking one night after building & he thought that that single episode saved him about 5 years in accumulating equipment.  The bike I helped with was fabricated by us (when I say "us" I mean him w/ me lending a helping hand.)  Tanks fenders etc  all metal - NO FILLER-  He is, outside of my pops, one of the best metal workers I've worked with.  He had a good mentor - his last job was working for Chip Foose - one of the best builder/designers that there has ever been.    It's not really his or my style, but it's impressive close up and is actually a very comfortable ride.  Not as nimble as the sohc's, but a great cruiser.   check out www.fullerhotrods.comhttp://  it's the bike that pops up first..... that rear tire is 32" tall!

Most bikes are  sold "as is" with the buyer having to take care of the legalities (titleiing, inspections etc) And many have waivers that are signed as well when you take ownership of the bike.

It's funny, I #$%* and moan and pick most of those cookie cutter bikes apart when I watch the shows, but I have my TIVO set to record all of them......



Hey, ¿which one is the one you helped with?


Regarding Chica, what's the merit of him? He just draws some sketches but the metal forming is done by his stupid right-hand man. The one I LOVED was a bike built by a tiny, shy japanese guy named Shinya Kimura. He built a bike out of parts from a scrapyard, pure industrial, with all the mechanism on sight. I loved it.



Another one that gets my credit is the Martin from the Martin bros. Not only is he a metal worker but a great painter too. The same than Ron Finch, but I can't stand his tone of voice and his over-psychedelic designs.

Cory Ness seems to be a good guy, but it must be hard to get sucess by yourself when you are shadowed by your own father. Arlen Ness is an icon, but in my opinion, most of his designs are way too experimental and not much eye-appealing to me. It must be easy to build a bike with such a workshop, warehouse and dad's friends.


Another thing i've noticed is that, when you want to make a living out of building bikes, you must have lots of tatoos and work with black t-shirts with either the HD logo, or some other cool messages. If you are getting bald, just shave your whole head and leave a goatee to look cooler. They must despise one century of bike engineering and design, and build their bikes just by drawing some sketches on a piece of paper. Like Eric Gorges said, "I like to put form over function". No wonder his gas tank would give an autonomy of 30 miles...


I've seen up to episode 20 so still there are a few waiting to be seen and commented. I bet some of them have even made a bike with negative trail!!!!


Raul

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Re: Some thoughts on "Biker Build Off"
« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2007, 06:45:15 AM »
About Chica..... he's one of my favorites because I like the "new vintage/retro glitter explosions"  not really my exact style but it's fun... I like his whole "schtich...."  he loves the lifestyle.  The japanese builders have always had a great style and emphasis on design throughout history.   

I love those guys at Zero Engineeering - I don't know how I missed that episode.  I'll agree with you that Joe Martin is freakishly talented - I really mean that & I can appreciate and be envious of his talents... he's just on a different page regarding style & design than I like.

The bike I helped out with can be found here:  www.fullerhotrods.com
It pops up first.... Funny thing is, this guy is more of a hotrod guy - this is his third motorcyle to own/build EVER.
I had to talk him into taking a motorcylcle safety course (which he did)
That bike isn't really my style either but it sure is a head turner.....it's impossible to miss in a crowd of bikes.

Lately, I'm into the Japanese designers.... check out chicara motorcycles if you can find a website for him - I haven't been able to find one.   But here's a pic of his most recent show winner: http://www.amdchampionship.com/content.php?page=registry&section=viewbike&event=2006world&bikenumber=018
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Re: Some thoughts on "Biker Build Off"
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2007, 06:47:35 AM »
Forgot one thing....... In my buddie's episode they sent a live chicken/rooster to us....
"got to get up early to beat the other guy"  all in good fun.

One other thing.....no tattoos for me or my buddy ;)
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Re: Some thoughts on "Biker Build Off"
« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2007, 09:05:58 AM »
Man, that Fuller bike means business! I'm still downloading episodes so I'll check it out as soon as I get it, moving it forward in the waiting queue...  ;D


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Re: Some thoughts on "Biker Build Off"
« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2007, 06:12:08 PM »
I only wanted to say that I questioned the engineering and ridability of these custom bikes.

The EPA is a different issue. Apparently, if you use a certified engine, you can build all you want. See the links.

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2006/08/14/what-everyone-should-know-about-the-new-kit-and-custom-motorcycle-rules-from-the-epa/

http://www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcycle-news/motorcycle-epa.htm