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Offline TwoTired

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This place has gotten good reviews on this site.  No personal experience, though.

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http://www.oregonmotorcycleparts.com/Reg_rec_units.html
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Ouch - pricey.

I gotta think about that one - thanks for the link!

Edit - this may do - its from a CB900F

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Ouch - pricey.

I gotta think about that one - thanks for the link!

Yeah, that's kinda what I thought, too.  Probably, why I keep using the original types I suppose.  I really haven't looked much for replacements.  The original stuff is still working fine in all my bikes.

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Offline Pinhead

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Hey, TwoTired: What do you think of the regulator/rectifier in my sig?
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Offline oldfart

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white wire from the alternator - whats its purpose, and will this prevent me from using the modern piece?
The white wire provides voltage to the alternator to energize the electromagnet.

It looks like your F4i has a permanent magnet which has no control.  I don't expect the "new" one you've chosen will work with the SOHC4. Sorry.

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In simpler terms, you cannot wire a reg/rect designed for a permanent magent alternator to a system having an electromagnet alternator, or visa-versa.  There just isn't any way, because the regulator portion is activated in a totally different manner.  The permanent magnet type regulator actually shorts the stator to control charge, while the electromagnet type regulator turns on and off the alternator's electromagnet.  Very different systems.  For reference, there are very few bikes made today with the older electromagnet design.  Probably 95 percent are permanent magnet now.   :)  P.S. Yes, the 900F one will work on an SOHC 750, but the color codes won't match even though both are Honda, because when Honda went solid state in the late 70s they moved the regulator from the positive side of the field coil to the negative side, hence the regulator has differing wire colors. 
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Hey, TwoTired: What do you think of the regulator/rectifier in my sig?

I don't know. Never tried it.  The web pointer shows it at almost $50.   It would be more interesting at $16.

All my mechanical regulators are still working without any additional expenditures.  And, I have spares on hand that will fit right on the bike without any adaptors or mount issues.  I simply don't have much incentive to try it out.  Sorry!

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Try this attachment
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P.S. Yes, the 900F one will work on an SOHC 750, but the color codes won't match even though both are Honda, because when Honda went solid state in the late 70s they moved the regulator from the positive side of the field coil to the negative side, hence the regulator has differing wire colors. 

Will I need to do any additional work, other than getting a CB900 wiring diagram and matching up the wires?  I'm building my own harness here, so thats not much of a concern.  The harness that came with the bike looks more like a fire hazard than an electrical harness.

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All the wires are there, you just need to know which are the right ones.   :)  The following link should help.

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I don't know. Never tried it.  The web pointer shows it at almost $50.   It would be more interesting at $16.

Holy smokes! It's still ~$13 here at zip 66212!
Doug

Click --> Cheap Regulator/Rectifier for any of Honda's 3-phase charging systems (all SOHC4's).

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I don't know. Never tried it.  The web pointer shows it at almost $50.   It would be more interesting at $16.

Holy smokes! It's still ~$13 here at zip 66212!
I didn't give the site my zip code as I recall.  (but maybe, I did) mine's 95035
Partsamerica.com  Free shipping over $50
Part number VR301
Retail Price:   $72.57
Our Price:   $47.99
You Save:   $24.58

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Holy cow,  you're right! I put in your zipcode and it came up to $47.99. What a crock of horse#$%*!! It's the exact same part that I get for $12.96!!!
Doug

Click --> Cheap Regulator/Rectifier for any of Honda's 3-phase charging systems (all SOHC4's).

GM HEI Ignition Conversion

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By the way, I'm going for the tinfoil pants...so they can't read my private thoughts.
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