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1971 cb 750 k1 what is it's value
« on: May 14, 2007, 08:40:05 PM »
I am confused but them my wife informs me I am always confused.  I see that there seems to be quite a difference in
the used prices of the 750s.  What make the 69 and 70  worth more ?  Mine is a beautiful grenerally in good to great condition
1971 k1 and with the exception of a 72-73 seat and some different spark plug wires it is all original.  What makes these years worth
more than a k2, k3,k4.  I paid $900 for mine and it came with a side car (really a cargo box) and runs perfect.  The speedo reads
15,216 miles and I believe it is probably correct.   Jim in Denver

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Re: 1971 cb 750 k1 what is it's value
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2007, 08:50:23 PM »
The first years of almost any production vehicle are worth more. Ever look at the price of a 1953 Corvette.  :o  :o Plus...the first 7414 CB750's used a sandcast process to make the engine cases..and a few other parts. If you have one of these in good shape and correct, treat it well and talk to your insurance agent.  ;)

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Re: 1971 cb 750 k1 what is it's value
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2007, 02:43:11 PM »
IMO the 69 and 70 are the better looking bikes. The following 6 years or so the bike still used the same tank design and side covers and the only thing that changed were colours, headlight bucket and for ear colours/chrome etc. So, if you want the earlier design with the bigger tank, full colour coding and shark grill covers you first have to find one then get in the queue for it. And it's a design classic in that it was the "worlds first superbike" and that bike was the K0, not anything else that came after it.
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Re: 1971 cb 750 k1 what is it's value
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2007, 02:52:12 PM »
K2's prices have gone thru the roof lately. Primo condition drives the prices up.

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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2007, 09:06:01 PM »
Quite honestly, I would be hesitant to sell a early bike that "I" thought was in great condition on Ebay..for instance. I suspect that people that pay the high prices expect what would amount to a bike in "new" condition. You can probably restore a bike to 10 points, but I doubt that most of them are.

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Re: 1971 cb 750 k1 what is it's value
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2007, 09:42:38 PM »
I was outbid on this baby. Apart from a sandcast a diecast doesn't get any better than this survivor..

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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2007, 08:00:12 PM »
Wow...I missed seeing that K0. Judging from the red on the speedometer, it hasn't seen much sun. Probably really close to original. Can you imagine what a "sandcast" in that shape....with almost no miles....would bring.  :o :o :o

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Re: 1971 cb 750 k1 what is it's value
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2007, 12:49:39 PM »
But 8250.00? Yes, it's in amazing shape but....
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Re: 1971 cb 750 k1 what is it's value
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2007, 11:44:42 PM »
And it's a design classic in that it was the "worlds first superbike" and that bike was the K0, not anything else that came after it.

There are, of course, some out there who might argue with you about that one. Like Brough Superior, or Vincent Black Shadow, or Triumph trident/BSA Rocket Three owners.........

Personally I think that there are many 'bikes that can claim to be 'superbikes', but which one was truly the first?
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Re: 1971 cb 750 k1 what is it's value
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2007, 03:25:25 PM »
The K1 is a better bike than the KO. But, first year anything is usually worth more. I have had sandcasts K0, K0, K1, K3, K5 and K8 as daily riders. Probably the K5 is the best for retaining original look of the CB750 yet being a great bike to ride. Maybe not as fast, but smoother. The K8 is a moto fea!

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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2007, 09:25:11 PM »
I think you're right about the K1 bettering the "K0".  Unfortunately, all the stuff that Honda replaced to make the K1 better is what is now so expensive to obtain for the K0...if I said that right!  ;D

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Re: 1971 cb 750 k1 what is it's value
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2007, 12:05:47 AM »
Allrighty, I held off replying to nickjtc's posting that the Brough, Trident or Vincent could be called the "Worlds' first Superbike" expecting someone to jump in but no one has.....

The Honda CB750 caused a huge  stir on release, and here is what HondaMan had to say about it in an earlier post.

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Well, I was there. I can tell you what I saw, but it was bigger than just Honda vs. Kaw (or anybody else). Like my avatar says, "If you remember the '60s, you weren't THERE...", the unenforced drugs, alcohol, smoking and escapism of every type has never reached the rampant levels it was back then.

The late '60s were a time like never before, nor since. We were testing all the things that had been sacrosanct to our parents, and things like the Vietnam War, city riots, campus riots and incredible crime everywhere were literally tearing the fabric of this country apart. The "hot summer of '68", when I was living in Chicago, was nightly riots and murder, Watts in L.A. wasn't any better, colleges were seeing students dying in riots every week. It was, quite literally, a rough time to be living, and at that time, I was living on the street myself. Not because I had to, but I wanted to "see what was up" in the "real" world.

We had tossed out many of our parent's ideals, like "the USA makes only the best things", and here came Honda, with the CB160, CB250/305, and the CB/CL450, which would run with almost no maintenance and take anyone long, long ways from home for pennies of gas. And, even Harley couldn't do that. Fords, Dodges and Chevies didn't even last as long. Honda became deeply entrenched in the average teenager's psyche as a result, and EVERYONE wanted to have one to ride. No matter where you looked, little Hondas were buzzing in every direction, day and night, year around.

Then, with no previous fanfare, came the 750. At it's debut, and in nearly stock street form, it blew away every bike in history at Daytona, in just one race. Honda didn't have to advertise it: it was whispered about in every gathering I knew, man or woman, old or young: this is the ticket AWAY from all that is going on. Enter Easy Rider, the movie (which is an excellent portrayal of mainstream teen-and-twentysomethings of the day), and the two made an explosive mix. Honda had hoped for sale of 10,000 units in the 1969-1970 seasons: they had 32,000 orders by the 3rd month after the intro, according to the Honda dealership where I worked at the time.

All you had to do to "shut Dad up" about his old Harley or Indian was to run through 1st and 2nd gear against him. No Ford, Chevy or Hemi could touch it in a 2-block race. You could ride for an entire weekend for $2 in gas, and if you laid off the throttle, you could sneak away in the night like a ghost afterward. EVERYONE talked about them, and most of us wanted one.

But, they were almost unobtainium for the first 2 years. Honda had no idea this was going to happen: they tried so hard to meet the demand that they sacrificed the quality quite a bit in the late K0 and all the K1 models, just to get them to a dealership. No one even cared what color it was: you would see people lined up at the sales counters every weekend, even BIDDING with cash in hand to get one. I laid down $250 in 1969 to "get in line" for my first one: this did NOT go toward the bike's price, either. And, I paid cash to get my K1 when it showed up, just to make sure I didn't lose my chance. It cost me a total of $1695 plus $250, which was 6 month's salary in 1970 when I got it. And, there were no loans in those days, like financing today. You gave everything up to get one.

And, it did not disappoint. In fact, it delivered an adrenalin rush of power that made my Ford with HP390 engine seem like a semi truck. I sold my car a month later, and hit the road, then the race track. It was 2 years before I even thought about owning a car again.

The 750 was so forgiving of owner mistakes that it set the standard for both bikes and cars from then on. Previously, bikes were on 600-800 mile oil changes, points at least twice a year, a battery every Spring, and kickstarters. Honda's little bike's electric starts didn't work well: this one started better than a car! And, in the first year, owners were hitting upwards of 50,000 miles on them without rebuilds or failures. ALL other motorcycles of the era (and a great many cars!) could not even do this. The legend was born.

Ironically, the very same day that Honda introduced the CB750 at the New York motor show, Kawasaki had their twin-cam 750 in the same hotel, to be debuted in the same show. The two companies were so quiet about it, they didn't even know about each other: Honda's team just had a more elaborate display, and started at about 2 AM or so setting it up. The Kaw guys saw it around 4 AM and called Japan: they were told to withdraw the "New York Steak", their code name for that bike, and return to Japan. Kaw did not wish to fight nor compete heads-up with Mr. Sochiro, a Bushido in high Japanese caste. So, Kaw spent 2 years developing a 900 on that chassis, the Z-1. It was too heavy, not smooth, handled like a tank, and was high maintenance, compared to the 750 by then.

It never mattered again, who developed what. Honda had changed motorcycling forever by 1971. Lawyers, bankers, accountants, college kids, even women were riding them, and everywhere. Not a day went past that one didn't purr by, stirring thoughts of a long trip on a lonely road to somewhere, anywhere that was away from the ruckus that American cities were then. And, the highways were empty! The RV had not yet appeared, trucks were 8-wheelers or 10-wheelers, and you could ride 90 MPH all day if you wanted to, on mostly brand-new cement Interstate highways.
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To quote HondaMan again, "It never mattered again, who developed what. Honda had changed motorcycling forever by 1971".

I'm adamant that the CB750 was THE ONE.  And this has been recognised down through the decades in the motorcycling press as they re-visited and re-rode the CB. I know, I have most of the reviews and vintage magazines that these road tests are in.

The bikes nickjtc quoted came before the CB, the VMax and Hyabusa and the others all came later, and there will be another biggest, bestest, fastest next year, but they will never be as iconic and memorable as the CB.

And I respect the opinions of you all and in this case Sandcastcb750 and techy5025. I respect their opinion that the K1 was a better bike than the K0. I can't argue because I have never owned or ridden a K1. However here is no getting past the fact that the K0 was the first Honda CB750. So in my opinion that model is "The Worlds first Superbike". The K1 wasn't, just as the K2 right up to the F series weren't.

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Re: 1971 cb 750 k1 what is it's value
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2007, 12:38:31 AM »
I've just re-read HondaMan's post.

Can you imagine the following happening any time soon with the latest release from any current manufacturer, including Honda?

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Honda....tried so hard to meet the demand that they sacrificed the quality quite a bit in the late K0 and all the K1 models, just to get them to a dealership. No one even cared what color it was: you would see people lined up at the sales counters every weekend, even BIDDING with cash in hand to get one. I laid down $250 in 1969 to "get in line" for my first one: this did NOT go toward the bike's price, either. And, I paid cash to get my K1 when it showed up, just to make sure I didn't lose my chance. It cost me a total of $1695 plus $250, which was 6 month's salary in 1970 when I got it. And, there were no loans in those days, like financing today. You gave everything up to get one.
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Re: 1971 cb 750 k1 what is it's value
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2007, 05:08:06 AM »
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they tried so hard to meet the demand that they sacrificed the quality quite a bit in the late K0

Hmm, must have missed Mark's first post on this, very interesting stuff. Since I have a late K0 (build date 11/69) can anyone elaborate on some of the quality sacrifices? ??? :-\
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2007, 07:36:01 AM »
Fit and finish basically, Here in UK what sold Honda's most was the total electrical reliability unlike the brits who used " St. Joseph Lucas, inventor of the Intermittent Electron"!!! Also whilst it wasnt the first 4 cylinder it was the first in-line ACROSS the frame and like has been said, as long as you serviced it when you were supposed to it just didnt go wrong
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2007, 07:42:55 AM »
Good to hear it was only cosmetics.
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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2007, 07:51:09 AM »
Yes Bob, there was a "batch" of K2 that came to UK with bad oil lines that kinked and restricted oil flow causing the ends to go, Honda kept it VERY quiet and rebuilt any that went bang and changed hoses at first service on those that didnt. Dont know if any of those made it to the US and I only know of two that failed
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2007, 11:33:57 AM »
Went to a bike meet this morning with some of the "gray haired" riders.  ;D There were 10 bikes or so there...mostly new beamers and advrider stuff. I was the only 750 there, but all of the other riders at one time or another had one. These guys were hard core....probably half don't even have cars. Two just got back from a ride to Alaska....a long way from Florida. Funny, the opinion of these guys was they would rather ride there on the 750 rather than the CBR because it would be much more comfortable.  I think I agree with them although neither are "adventure dual sport" bikes.

These guys can sure teach you a lot about riding, and I really respect their opinions on gear that works and what doesn't. 

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2007, 11:01:40 PM »
I agree totally with the aforesaid sentiments about the CB750. There is no doubt that the impact that it made on motorcycling shook the world. However, if one were to be an anorak about it (totally anal in N.American speak) and ask the question "What was the first modern superbike?", the answer would be the BSA/Triumph triples, solely on the basis that they were launched slightly earlier.

Yes, yes, I hear the coats being taken off, closely followed by the gloves.......there was no real comparison between the two 'bikes, especially in terms of sophistication. But to the average Brit bike afficianado (who would not touch a Japanese 'bike with a ten foot pole) the triples were so ahead of the (British) game that they were worthy rivals at the time. And of course like the Honda the triples did enjoy a few moments in the race-world limelight.
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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2008, 10:29:33 AM »
Man this is one of the best posts EVER... ;D
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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2008, 02:30:06 PM »
Good point Bob...sacrifices???  My KO build date is 1/70 and I also have to admit the shark look to the side covers are unique.  The last nice KO I saw go for over $11,000 on eBay which completely took me by surprise.  This is very good reading. 
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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2008, 03:48:53 PM »
This may be a silly question to you all... But all this k0/1/2/3/4 talk has me wondering about 550's? 

I am resto'ing my newly aquired 1975 cb550 and am wondering if the 550's followed this "k" suit as well? 

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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2008, 06:28:42 PM »
What makes these years worth more than a k2, k3,k4.  I paid $900 for mine and it came with a side car (really a cargo box) and runs perfect. 

First, sounds like a great find you got. I have a 1972 K1 with a sidecar. I bought it mainly for fun and to fix up a tad. I was thinking about trying to restore it but wondered if it was worth it or not. So, I watched ebay and within a two week period I watched two different restored K1's go for over $7K, so I have decided it would be worth putting a little extra into this bike to make it look a new as I can. I have no intentions of making a museum piece, but neither of these $7k+ ebay bikes were either. For the cost of a lot of NOS parts and some paint, I could likely break even or make a few bucks if I wanted on ebay, although that is not my goal.

Seems to me the K1 a unique model to have. Most of the parts on the K2 through K6 seem to be the same, but the K1 has many different parts that make it different from both the K0's and the K2-K6's. I am finding this out as I research parts to replace.
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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2008, 06:58:53 PM »
Wupps.. Was referring to the most excellent post # 12 by toycollector when I brought this back to the top earlier today..
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« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2010, 12:51:02 PM »
I have a 71 K1 with "period" mods....i.e., 4 into 1 exhaust and 860cc wiseco piston kit.
Otherwise it's bone stock/original and nice overall...with NOS original exhaust set up in a box.
Obviously, a great milestone bike.  Big advantage over K0 (practically speaking) is that the K1 has
throttle bar set up instead of the K0s individual cable to each carb.  Makes life easier to adjust.

Back in the sixties I was there too.  Only I was in Tokyo Japan -- where I grew up 10 years and
graduated from high school.  Back then Tokyo was the center of action and excitement for bikes and I rode and/or owned various bikes from Nihon -- BS50, BS90, Honda Benley 125, CB72 & 77, CL72 and 77, a Marusho Lilac 250 V twin shaftie, and Kawasaki 120 Roadrunner and some other obscure 'worker bikes'.

I remember DISTINCTLY when I first laid eyes of the "Nanahan" ("7 and a half) K0 in 69.  It was owned by some Japanese guy cruising by our high school showing it off.  He even let us take it
for a test drive!! And so I did.  What a ride!  I rode it timidly and carefully as up till then I had NEVER been on such a big, powerful bike.  It was huge and intimidating.   And what a great new sound and ultra smooth engine.  Till then, Kawasaki's W1/2 650 twin was biggest bike you could get from a Japanese maker -- except for that "Rikyo" Harley knock-off.   It dwarfed the 450 Humpback Honda.  That ride only lasted 5 mins or so, but I never forgot it.  

First Superbike?  Well...some will say that honor also belongs to Kawasaki's H1 Mach III 500cc street missle.  It actually BEAT the Honda K0 in Japan by 6 months.  And pound for pound, the Mach III was much faster accelerating bike....with quicker quarter mile times.  But the Honda 750 had a higher top speed and was much better suited to highway cruising and long distance runs.   Back in 69 and 70, however, the only people getting the new 750s were domestic Japanese riders and GIs (from Vietnam or based out of Tokyo).  Most US dealers hadn't even seen them in 69 or 70, and had a time servicing the ones the GIs brought back to the US.   I ended up buying a 69 H1 'blue streak'....and still have it along with a 71 H1 'blue strober'.  But I just had to get a 750 Honda and so I did....that nice 71 K1.  Which is 'better'?  Both are classics and fun to ride to this day....but there is no doubt the Honda 750 is a more refined, comfortable and stable machine.   Frankly, I'm lucky to be alive today since the H1 Mach IIIs really WERE/ARE wild uncivilized street burners and widow makers.  Definitely 'over engined'.  Flexible Flyer is a well deserved name too...  :o  
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