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A couple of posts I read today got me thinking about the loathed 'APO' tales about our bikes, so I was wondering SOHC4.us members. . . .

What are some of the worst half-a**ed maintenance, repair, mods, or 'custom work' done by the previous owner/idiot of your bike(s)? 



Mine is this - the corroded front brake piston undoubtedly helped along with the red RTV silicone gasket goop used in place of the proper brake grease (oh, that and the disc caliper adjustment screw/spring assembly was just missing, too) I can't believe this sketchy setup ever worked at all!  :o


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Re: APO (a**hole previous owner) Thread - Your Worst Stories . . .
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2007, 01:37:10 AM »
You should be aware that auto parts stores here is the US sell goop to stop brake squeal.  It's a silicone product, to withstand the heat, that you are to put behind the brake pad to change the vibration frequency, hopefully outside of audible range.  Different manufacturers have different color product.  The one on my shelf is blue that I used in conjunction with the proper silicone grease.  I suspect your PO was trying to quiet the brakes and was directed to this product by the parts counterman.

No, it wasn't a cure for mine.  But, I think it did limit the audible projection to only a one block radius and stopped the countywide alerts of emergency vehicles to the aural distress that it caused. :-\


My worst PO story, I recently posted elsewhere.  The bike was a cafe'd "looking" Cb550K.  It looked cafe'd.  But, actually getting to the next cafe was done with prayer and lottsa luck.
He put short low bars on the bike, but not matching cables.  Turn the bars left and the clutch disengaged as the cable was pulled taught.  Right turns caused the cable to bind and whatever clutch position was there before turning, stayed until the bars were returned to straight.
Every bump or irregularity in the road surface caused a loud banging from the rear suspension.  He had "upgraded" to Koni shocks, possibly manufactured before the bike was first sold.  The shock internal seals were hardened and the oil was long gone.  It took a force of about 200 lbs to move the pistons in each shock.  The springs were so stiff that even with a 250 person on the bike, the shocks were 1/8 inch from end of travel.  Any bumps would dislodge the piston and then bang as they reached full extention.

He had put pod filters on the bike and removed the inner plastic splash guard only (steel fenders still in place).  Guess where the water splashed from errant irrigation street spray puddles?  Yup, right on the carb pod foam.

It was also the only cafe conversion I've ever seen with a King/Queen seat installed.  Held it's shape well though as the foam was hard as a rock and only slighty softer and more comfortable than the bare frame steel.

The shifter seal gave me the most headache on that bike.  Both, the case and the shifter shaft had hammer and chisel marks where the seal change had been miserablly botched.  I had to smooth and fill the shaft chisel grooves with JB weld so the THIRD new lip seal would do it's job, as well as permatex the outer seal seat.

That's all I can think of right now.   It had been nicely painted dark blue.

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Re: APO (a**hole previous owner) Thread - Your Worst Stories . . .
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2007, 03:29:51 AM »
I've had heaps of "bodged" bikes, because I have this terrible personal trait of wanting to bring machines back from the grave whatever the cost, so that's why I've got a garage full of semi-restored "projects", ha ha!

The story that always sticks in my mind though was one my grandfather told me, he was a "Panther" fan, and owned several of them. Anyway, he bought one during the Great Depression, and noticed that even though it started and ran ok, it seemed to suffer from piston slap, so pulled it down to discover that the PO had fashioned a piston from "Red Gum", (Aussie hardwood) with a tin "crown" nailed to the top, probably to stop it catching fire, ha ha! Cheers, Terry. ;D

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Re: APO (a**hole previous owner) Thread - Your Worst Stories . . .
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2007, 03:33:01 AM »
Now that's a doozy, a wooden piston! :o You might have a winner here, Terry.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2007, 10:54:30 AM »
I've recounted this one a few times, but in the spirit of the thread...

I picked up my CB750 years ago with the #3 cylinder not hitting on idle. After a few minutes of running, raw gas would start dripping from the exhaust connection at the cylinder head. I figured the float or needle valve had something wrong, to I replaced the needle/seat and checked the float. The cylinder still dripped. I had the carbs off 4 times trying to figure out what was going on. Finally, I happened to look into the idle jet in bright light. The PO drilled out the jet to approximately a 140 or so! Once I replaced the jet, it idled on all 4.

This was the same person who thought RTV was God's gift to humanity. Every cover I pulled off that engine had lots of blue RTV "worms" inside... >:( (Good thing he didn't leave the screen off the oil pump pickup!)
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2007, 11:38:00 AM »
How about  a$$hole next owner.

I had a 80 CB125 thumper.  It was given to me when it was 10 years old with only 385 miles on it.  With the exception of a single scratch on the front fender and a frozen clutch, it was in mint condition.  I was working at a dealer at the time.  I needed the cash, so I sold it.  3 days later it was in our service dept with a "get running" order.  The carb had been removed and a few pieces were in backwards or upside down.  3 DAYS!!  It always started second kick, sometimes first kick when cold.  IDIOT!!
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2007, 12:09:16 PM »
The 71 500 I've got had the air filter box removed, but he did put the boots on and shoved steel wool in the intakes for a filter.  1 & 2 spark plug wires reversed and he cut number one's wire to fit number 2(a little short).  He installed a dyna s with the magnet 180 out, so to compensate he reversed the white and black wires.  He cut the mufflers off so the center stand rubbed the chain.  Spray painted the front hub and half of the spokes and the front disc.  He wired a pushbutton switch in place of the keyed ignition and wired it so the parking light position was on as well as the normal run position so the headlight was always on.   

He cut off the fender mounting bracket under the seat, the tabs that hold the splash guard and the rear foot pegs.  Gas tank removed, as well as the side covers, one painted pretty well with candy red  :) and scallops :(  The other side cover had about 10 runny coats of paint.  Electrics removed as well as the battery tray, seat, grab bar, signals front and rear, both fenders and the front wheel cylinder. 

I bought it as a basket case, so I wasn't disappointed, just amazed at some of the things he did so wrong.  He did stiff me on sending me the gas tank, but I forgave him for that once I realized he just wasn't going to send it.  Within 2 days of letting go of that anger I got a near perfect tank for $20.  If I know my karma, he's still dragging that tank with him like an albacore around his neck ;) with the hopes of selling it if it hasn't been ruined completely, but I digress, that's really none of my business.
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2007, 01:01:37 PM »
I would have to say the worst APO experince was with the K8 project that I am working on. They guy let the bike sit behind his shed for several years (no biggie) - WITH THE SPARK PLUGS OUT. He's even a mechanic at the local shop (one of the better ones, too). You's think he would have known better.
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Re: APO (a**hole previous owner) Thread - Your Worst Stories . . .
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2007, 01:28:30 PM »
You should be aware that auto parts stores here is the US sell goop to stop brake squeal.  It's a silicone product, to withstand the heat, that you are to put behind the brake pad to change the vibration frequency, hopefully outside of audible range.  Different manufacturers have different color product.  The one on my shelf is blue that I used in conjunction with the proper silicone grease.  I suspect your PO was trying to quiet the brakes and was directed to this product by the parts counterman.

I really kinda think my APO was using regular red RTV silicone in PLACE of any kind of proper brake grease, as there was no actual brake grease anywhere. The red RTV was slathered behind both brake pads with a big glop of it stuck around and behind the brake piston causing it to not fully retract. It was just a messed up hardened rubbery mass in the caliper complete with water and rust. .  ..a total mess. The brake disc adjustment screw was just gone too - probably because no adjustment would get the brake pads to NOT rub on the disc. (which was thus blued and warped).

By the way, this is the same guy who thought it would be "cool" to rattle can the ENTIRE BIKE flat black. . . something about it being a "rat bike". Everywhere - all the chrome, frame, cables, spark plug wires, you name it. If I had a dollar for every time I have cursed the APO while trying to remove remnants of this stubborn paint, I would be able to afford full powder coating. .. . aaargh!
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Re: APO (a**hole previous owner) Thread - Your Worst Stories . . .
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2007, 02:37:18 PM »
Now that's a doozy, a wooden piston! :o You might have a winner here, Terry.

OK, after reading some of these others, I may have to reclassify Terry's as "innovative." ;D
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Re: APO (a**hole previous owner) Thread - Your Worst Stories . . .
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2007, 04:03:16 PM »
The story that always sticks in my mind though was one my grandfather told me, he was a "Panther" fan, and owned several of them. Anyway, he bought one during the Great Depression, and noticed that even though it started and ran ok, it seemed to suffer from piston slap, so pulled it down to discover that the PO had fashioned a piston from "Red Gum", (Aussie hardwood) with a tin "crown" nailed to the top, probably to stop it catching fire, ha ha! Cheers, Terry. ;D

LOL Terry .. ..that reminds me of a family tale I have heard over the years of my very 'frugal' (and a bit sketchy) great grandpa. Apparently, he had sold off an old car during the depression era, with a drive shaft home made out of wood. The new owner drove it a few times until he hit a big bump and the drive shaft shattered .. .he was none too pleased with the modification and great grandpa heard all about his 'custom' driveshaft. . .  I'm sure the depression era brought out all sorts of "interesting" modifications like these   ;D
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Re: APO (a**hole previous owner) Thread - Your Worst Stories . . .
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2007, 04:50:35 PM »
I did notice my bike's PO was all thumbs.  That should have clued me in. 



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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2007, 05:37:53 PM »
Where'd you get that pic of my hand Dusty? Ha ha!

Well Moto B mentioned her Grandaddy, so here's a quick one about mine. He was a great guy, and of course I wish I'd spent more time with him, as he could fix anything............... in a fashion.

He was born a Brit (Welsh) and came out here as a kid around 1907, from memory. He loved English cars and bikes, and having lived thru WW2, didn't think much of Jap anything, so I guess that is understandable.

Anyway, apart from a Volkswagen (Aussies didn't hate the Germans like they hated the Japs, as the Germans were a little bit more decent adversaries) he drove mainly Austin's and Morris', and the local exhaust place quoted him a "ridiculous" amount for replacing the entire exhaust system on his Austin 1800, so he fashioned his own out of galvanised water pipe, complete with threaded "bends". It worked ok, and was still on that car when he sold it many years later.

My Dad (who disliked my Grandfather, his father in law) still laughs about it, but I thought it was kinda cool! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2007, 06:05:18 PM »
po...somehow laced rear rim and rear tire to front hub, used boat trailer rear signals, bizarre front signal stems, hacksawed the rear shocks shorter and re-welded them, 16 inch car rear tire, abomination of an exhaust, then it got caught in a shop fire and melted everything. I recognized the left side horn (an early sandcast) so it was worth restoring. Bike had only 5000 miles on it. It was actually an ez resto, no motor work needed. Started right up when finished, ran great.



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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2007, 06:33:03 PM »
Bloody beautiful Andy, nice work! I hope my K0 comes up that nice when I decide to restore it, I fired it up for the first time in a couple of months yesterday, it runs great with the cable carbs, I've got the correct fork lowers and fender now so it's coming together, I must replace the clutch plates so I can take it for a ride! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2007, 06:36:07 PM »
This is not really bike related but funny all the same. I am a Porsche tech and a few years ago at the dealership In New Orleans where I was working we had a guy bring in a late 70's 911 Targa he had just bought. Wanted us to look it over. He had got an unbelievable deal on it, around $3000 if I remember correctly and just wanted an oil change and an inspection. Well it had a ton of stupid modifications, ie: tons of little plastic Porsche crests stuck to EVERYTHING inside the car, extra speakers all over the place (about 10 in total) and the orig. targa top was missing and in its place was a peice of vinyl that snapped onto the roof rails, with snaps that had been screwed thru the weatherstripping into the windsheild frame. But the absolute best part was the rear engine support. For those that dont know on the back of a 911 engine is a flat bar that spans the width on the engine compartment. there are 2 bolts that reach down thru the body at the rear outboard corners and thread into the bar on its ends. and the engine bolts to the flat face of the bar in the middle. Well on one side they had apparently lost the bolt and as it is a relitivley obscure metric size, and in the south your only option would be to go to the dealer and get one (for about $10 by the way so cost is no excuse) they had laced what looked like nylon clothsline rope thru it a few times and tied it off.

 So it was a Porsche 911, one of the best sports cars ever made, and it had its engine held in with string.
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Re: APO (a**hole previous owner) Thread - Your Worst Stories . . .
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2007, 07:35:38 PM »
 I got one a few years back I traded couple of old snowmobiles for a 1978 750 K It was about  five or six miles from my house so I just  rode it home well the shifting was really funky  I would have to like double shift and the  lever was moveing like 3 or 4 inches on every other shift well made it home and the P O was behind me when I got off the bike I started messing with the lever  and he yells to me  oh its not the lever its something inside UUUUUGH  Ive had many of these apart and you guys that also have  even had the cover off and seen the end of the drum and just how the whole thing operate if its moving that far SOMETHIN REALLY WRNOG I went into my garage grabed a stock lever and wow like brand new  but he also got trigger happy with a can of black spray paint in mean no masking just squirt  so that one of many that I save and gave a good home lets hear some more I wanna hear some real horror one that nobody get hurt on well phisicaly any way
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2007, 08:32:24 PM »
wow, not one period. ;)

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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2007, 05:37:37 AM »
sorry but its not an english class I think most got my point...maybe some didnt !
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2007, 06:25:07 AM »
PO replaced the clutch, and when i got it had a hell of a time trying to get it ino and out of gear, this went on for about 3 months, and though to myself, this cant be the way honda made it, so pull the clutch cover off and the inner basket, to find  that when he put it back together he forgot to put the thrust washer between the inner and outer clutch hubs!!!!! bloody luck alloy is a good bearing surface when lubbed!!!!!, also he said he gave is a freshen up, and after the bike got run it, had horrible piston slap, he must of honed it to the end of time!!!!!!...

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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2007, 07:38:36 AM »
I first looked at my 550 in a dark warehouse. Didn't see that there had been an engine/carb fire till I got it apart. Aside from the butchered
carb overhauls there was a piece of window screen used in place of the fuel strainer and a plenum chamber full of fire extinguisher powder.
He got the fire put out just as the airbox was beginning to melt.
The clutch cover had been off, and of course he didn't bother to remove the right footpeg first, somehow forcing the cover off and
wiping out the kickstart shaft seal and bending the shaft as well.
THEN, like a dumbass, he reassembled it that way. Glad all my
electrics were unmolested.

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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2007, 12:13:26 PM »
sorry but its not an english class I think most got my point...maybe some didnt !
I don't think I got the point you desired.
The point I got was that your thoughts and phrases string on and on, and none can stand on their own merit.  After the first line or so, I found it too much work to decipher the code, and moved on to the next post. 

It's the same feeling I get when I look out over a junkyard.
Gee there are a lot parts out there, but even if you recognize a few makes and models here and there, the resulting concept is that it is a junkyard and looks pretty much like any other junkyard.  What's the point of picking out the individual parts if you don't need any?

I assume you post cause you want others to read your thoughts.  If you restrict your audience to only those that are enthralled by breaking code, you will reach less people.  Personally, I find it too much work to do so.  And, I simply ignored the rambling run on post, as I didn't think it was worth the effort to parse.

A dialog takes at least two cooperative parties who are able to converse in the same language.  If one person spits while he talks, the other may lose interest in the conversation, even though the individual words are understood.

If you find periods so distasteful, you might consider a carriage return in its place.  Or, increase the deciphering challenge by eliminating use of the space bar as well as the period key.

Please take this post as constructive criticism/comment, and feel free to post in any way you desire in the future.

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Well Lloyd....you moved on to the next post but it obviously bothered you enough that Craig doesn't like punctuation to make this post. Every member of this club is NOT a Harvard graduate so lets keep that in mind. I don't think Craig harmed anyone with his post and although he might lack in the proper use of grammer,spelling,etc., I don't think he deserved to be shot down or pointed out. Get back to the main subject here and quit trying to start something over nothing.
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Re: APO (a**hole previous owner) Thread - Your Worst Stories . . .
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2007, 12:36:57 PM »
*clap* *clap* *clap*

my thoughts exactly..

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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2007, 02:23:21 PM »
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Re: APO (a**hole previous owner) Thread - Your Worst Stories . . .
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2007, 02:27:34 PM »
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;D I spent about 2 minutes deciphering that. I feel like an idiot. Thnaks