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Re: GL 1000 coils on CB 750 - anybody tried it ?
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2008, 02:50:18 PM »
Greenjeans, I have recently fitted a set of Gl1000 coils to my CB750 and they seem to work well. I have also fitted one of Hondaman's solid state ignition modules. The GL1000 coils are three ohm coils with a single 3 ohm ballast resistor in series with both coils. I have not made any modifications to bypass the resistor when cranking the motor. The bike starts easily when the battery is charged up but if the battery becomes discharged and struggles to turn the motor the motor will not fire up. If this becomes a problem I will fit a relay which will energise when I push the starter button and bypass the ballast resistor during the cranking period. Pat
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Re: GL 1000 coils on CB 750 - anybody tried it ?
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2008, 04:44:14 PM »
Far as I can tell my GL1000 coils are exactly the same as most 750 coils...cept the wires are longer.....

Is there a winding difference?

According to Mike Nixon aka "oldfart", gl 1000 coils were an upgrade
used back in the 70's. I run them, without the resistors, and they don't burn points. The technical reasons for them being better were published somewhere, but for the life of me, I can't remember where. I did e mail Mr. nixon, and he told me not to use the resistors, just use 'em as is. For whatever reason, and you might ask him, the gl coils give a hotter spark. They will work on the 750 and 500/550
using the model specific bracket. He makes mention of this mod in one of the articles on his sight "the motorcycle project"


edit: forgot to mention, mine are of the '75-'79 model years gl.
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Re: GL 1000 coils on CB 750 - anybody tried it ?
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2008, 04:57:43 PM »
Sounds like the GL coils have fewer turns in the primary circuit, meaning less resistance and therefore more current draw, with a higher primary-to-seconday ratio than the 750 coils.  Fatter spark, but more load on the charging system.


I've been considering this upgrade myself, if I do I'll definately relay the circuit, since I'm planning to relay the horn and headlight anyway.  The 750's tool tray looks to me like a nice potential relay center.

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Re: GL 1000 coils on CB 750 - anybody tried it ?
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2008, 05:08:01 PM »
Had to jog my memory banks....by looking it up on Randals site.... ::) ;D

http://www.randakks.com/TechTips.htm#38

First, the ballast resistor is the long, white ceramic thing attached to the left side of the coil assembly. Basic function: the ballast resistor is a resistor contained in the primary ignition circuit wiring that lowers voltage after the engine is started to reduce wear on ignition components. Less well understood is the fact that ballast resistors provide appropriate compensation within a circuit for external demands placed on that circuit. One example of this would be to compensate for temperature changes.

The coils, ballast resistor, points and dual condenser of a GL1000 are optimized for proper ignition function by coils that are designed to deliver full secondary circuit energy pulses to the spark plugs with primary input circuit voltage of approx. 7-9 Volts ... not the 12 Volts that you might expect.

This is so you will have "full" power to the coils during start-up...if the coils were "expecting" 12 volts they would be disappointed! The nominal 12 Volt battery voltage is reduced considerably during start-up by the heavy effort to energize the starter and spin the engine...hence the reduction to around 7V as the "normal" state of affairs for these coils (at idle). Sometimes, you might hear geezers like me refer to GL1000 coils as "6 volt" coils. Don't get hung up on the exact values - the relative values are what's important here.

Once the engine fires, the alternator (stator actually) comes online and battery voltage is regulated to approximately 14.5 Volts at normal cruise rpms (voltage is less at lower rpms). Without intervention, the coils which are optimized for 7-9 V would now be seeing primary input voltage of 14+ volts. Clearly, this would cause problems of overheating and reduced life for ignition components. This is where the ballast resistor enters the picture.

Through clever wiring, the power to the coils is always routed through the ballast resistor unless the starter is spinning - in which case the ballast is by-passed. The resistance value of the ballast resistor is calibrated to deliver the 7V or so expected by the coils at idle. During starting, the ballast is by-passed and full available voltage is routed to the coils. The beauty of this design is that you get quick starts AND long life for the components. I won't go into the theory, but the ballast cleverly compensates somewhat for the ignition requirements required by changes in temperature and engine rpm.



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Re: GL 1000 coils on CB 750 - anybody tried it ?
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2008, 07:40:54 AM »
Hello MR Greenjeans...
Did you find the info you need on the wire replacement?


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Re: GL 1000 coils on CB 750 - anybody tried it ?
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2008, 08:06:32 AM »
I did find it....(and much much more)  thanks.  I should get the back up coils in hopefully today or tomorrow.

According to Mike Nixon aka "oldfart", gl 1000 coils were an upgrade
used back in the 70's. I run them, without the resistors, and they don't burn points. The technical reasons for them being better were published somewhere, but for the life of me, I can't remember where. I did e mail Mr. nixon, and he told me not to use the resistors, just use 'em as is. For whatever reason, and you might ask him, the gl coils give a hotter spark. They will work on the 750 and 500/550

Newbie question....what are the resistors ?   
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Re: GL 1000 coils on CB 750 - anybody tried it ?
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2008, 08:57:59 AM »
Good Deal.
I'm running one of Honda Man's electronic units on mine...that sure makes a big difference too...much nicer idle and low speed...and really seems to wake the bike up in the upper RPMS too.

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Re: GL 1000 coils on CB 750 - anybody tried it ?
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2008, 09:03:14 AM »
Hondaman's ignition units... ?  How much & how easy was it to install ?
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Re: GL 1000 coils on CB 750 - anybody tried it ?
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2008, 09:09:03 AM »
I think they are $60...and VERY easy to install...it uses the original points and if for some reason it fails..you just hook the two points wires back up and go on as normal...
Several threads on here about it. It's a great addition...

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Re: GL 1000 coils on CB 750 - anybody tried it ?
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2008, 09:18:38 AM »
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This is fun in a truck too with the windows down just hang on if tha car wash has the blowers at the end to dry off.
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Re: GL 1000 coils on CB 750 - anybody tried it ?
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2008, 09:29:17 AM »
Man you guys I just finished reading the whole thread and this is impressive info, especially for everyone who is watching their iginition for failure/future mods. or just soaking up knowlege like a sponge (me :P)...
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Re: GL 1000 coils on CB 750 - anybody tried it ?
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2008, 11:13:32 AM »
Hey Goon...
yeah...if I had hair...it would make a great blow dryer! <G>