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Offline crazypj

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Sticking Brakes, explanation and pics-1970~1979?
« on: March 13, 2008, 07:52:32 AM »
Hi Folks,
I think this has come up several times but don't remember seeing any real explanation for it other than the bleed hole in the master cylinder being blocked.
 It seems that not too many people are aware of the non-return valve in the early master cylinders (from about 1970 to 1978~79)?
 I'm not sure but I think it's only fitted to the pivoting caliper type brakes to maintain a low line pressure and prevent return spring on caliper pivot pushing pads all the way back (because 'EVERYONE' adjusted brakes correctly to 0.006" at each service  :D)
 Anyway, heres some pics, explanation at bottom




 It fits into the end of the piston return spring inside the master cylinder.
 If there is any corrosion dirt, goo, etc under it when fitted the small indent can't relieve pressure and brakes can drag.
 How it works, the holes are on piston side of M/C, when pressure is applied the rubber 'flap valve' opens allowing pressure into line.
 When lever is released the valve closes and most pressure bleeds off through the small indent (about 11.00 o'clock position, pic 2)

Added pic of 'complete' assembly, (left out circlip and washer which holds everything together and the wire circlip that holds dust boot)
PJ
« Last Edit: March 13, 2008, 08:30:10 AM by crazypj »
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Re: Sticking Brakes, explanation and pics-1970~1979?
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2008, 08:32:09 AM »
Added a pic showing relationship of the parts just in case anyone is confused as to where valve fits
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Re: Sticking Brakes, explanation and pics-1970~1979?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2010, 05:28:10 AM »
Great tip. I am rebuilding from a kit (not Honda) and after reading your post looked at the Non Return Valve supplied and noticed the quality of it was not comparable to what I pulled out. The rubber flap covering the holes didnt cover all the holes completely, not centered when assembled I think. Maybe not a big deal in use but I dont know and didnt want to find out.

I cleaned up the old one and reused it.

Thanks for posting this
« Last Edit: March 09, 2010, 06:09:06 AM by ben.cb500 »