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Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« on: April 27, 2008, 04:29:18 PM »
I just bought a GARMIN GPS (nuvi 360) and it comes with a wall-wart charger, and a lighter plug power adapter for the car.  I want to use this while on the bike, so I made a holder to position it in the clear pouch on my tank bag.  The problem is, the miniature USB plug (like the plugs that fit most cameras and camcorders) for the 12V adapter has a 90-degree shape to it so the cord points toward the back of the GPS.  I need one that goes straight out the side so I can lay it flat in the thing I just made. 
Q:Are all USB mini plugs configured the same?  Are adapters or extension cords available that anyone knows of?
Q:Are all USB voltage outputs supposed to 5 volts and what are the pinoputs (+/-)?

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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2008, 07:23:03 PM »
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Q:Are all USB mini plugs configured the same?

Not all mini USB plugs are configured the same in terms of straight vs. right angle. I have some straight-through and some right angle. Note that there are now regular, mini and micro sized USB connectors (that I know of).

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Are adapters or extension cords available that anyone knows of?

Adapters and extensions are available in all sorts of sizes/genders, although it is sometimes a bit hard to find something special. Your local electronics shop, if good, may have what you need. I have much less luck at any of the chain stores when looking for anything like this. If you can't find something local, you might try www.cablestogo.com. ebay may also be your friend.

I'm guessing from reading your post that you would simply need a new USB cable with a mini male to a regular or mini male (not special at all, actually). Most extensions should have a straight connector.

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Q:Are all USB voltage outputs supposed to 5 volts and what are the pinoputs (+/-)?

Yup. As far as I know, they're supposed to be 5 volts. I once had a Motorola phone that had a custom pinout and possibly voltage also, but I think that's rare.

See this for the pinouts and voltage:
http://www.hardwarebook.info/Universal_Serial_Bus_(USB)
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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2008, 12:55:05 AM »
Never mind the USB questions Steve - what's your Garmin like to use? Did you do any research before you bought it? Anything you'd care to share re pro's and cons of the various models if you did do any research?

Here in NZ the Garmin is typically the most expensive model(s) available... I'm tossing up between Garmin and Uniden at the moment with NavMan edging in (a New Zealand product).

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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2008, 03:37:07 AM »
Never mind the USB questions Steve - what's your Garmin like to use? Did you do any research before you bought it? Anything you'd care to share re pro's and cons of the various models if you did do any research?

Here in NZ the Garmin is typically the most expensive model(s) available... I'm tossing up between Garmin and Uniden at the moment with NavMan edging in (a New Zealand product).

Cheers, Phil


I didn't do much research, I admit.  I was more driven by price than anything, and I had good luck with previous Garmin products.  I have a Garmin eTrex Legend handheld which is OK, but the screen size is about that of a cell phone, and for me (I need to have reading glasses) was hard to read without glasses.  The nuvi 360 has a nice display, 3" x 2-1/4" which I can read without the glasses.  I like the way the unit acquires satellites very quickly from cold boot and you're ready to navigate in about 15 seconds!  They make units that are designed for bikes (waterproof/water resistant and vibration resistant), but are too pricey for me, which is why I designed the holder for the tank bag.  This should be fine for the limited amount of time it'll see on the bike.  I like the way you can store your "favorites" (destinations) and select them from the touch screen menu and "GO" to that location in an instant.  What I don't like about the favorites thing is that you can't (at least I haven't found a way) program a route using more than one destination.  In other words create a route longer that one point without re-doing the entire route, and creating a way-point.
The nuvi also has provisions for MP3 and photo storing, but I think you have to opt for a memory card (it comes with a USB cable, which is probably used for downloading MP3 music or photos) .
For the handheld eTrex, I was able to connect it to a computer and upload/download routes and see where I had been using the bread crumb plotting. Can't do that with the nuvi  >:(  .  I've heard that down the road, Garmin is expecting to release a software package that will allow you to do this, but that's not for certain.  I like the fact that you can plug in a headset while on the bike, and hear the voice prompts and directions without having to watch the screen all the time for your "next" turn.
Regarding other brands of GPS's, when I was originally looking for handheld units, the Garmin beat all others hands-down IMHO, and was a "no brainer", especially when compared to the Magellin unit. 
There are lots of other set-ups that you can do to "personalize" the unit to your preferences, but you're limited to WHAT is displayed on the screen while the map is up and you're navigating a route.  The handheld unit allowed you to customize everything on the display to show you what YOU wanted to see.  Can't do that with the nuvi.
I like the unit overall, and if you can afford the larger units, go for it.

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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2008, 06:53:43 AM »
Large county police electronic sign just off the Wash. D.C. beltway.
"Lock your cars--Take your GPS with you"
Theft of these things must be epidemic.

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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2008, 07:05:48 AM »
Large county police electronic sign just off the Wash. D.C. beltway.
"Lock your cars--Take your GPS with you"
Theft of these things must be epidemic.


The cops in my home town busted some guy a few months back that had over 50 of these that he stole out of cars that either weren't locked or he broke out the window to get it.  I take it with me when ever I leave the vehicle.  They're very desireable items, and usually easy to steal.

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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2008, 08:03:18 AM »
Do we need another distraction?  It's bad enough that we have cell phoners not paying attention, possibly hunting us down.  Are we destined to not see the hunter because we are looking down at a GPS to see the next left turn in our trip?
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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2008, 08:18:24 AM »
it beats the mapquest directions taped to the tank.  i don;t think i'll do that again.
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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2008, 09:39:45 AM »
Do we need another distraction?  It's bad enough that we have cell phoners not paying attention, possibly hunting us down.  Are we destined to not see the hunter because we are looking down at a GPS to see the next left turn in our trip?
NOoooooooooo,  There's the little voice in my ear that talks me through the route.  No one complaines about the "map readers" fumbling with paper maps and trying to focus on "just where the hell am I now".  I think that the GPS is safer than paper maps, and there's the voice that tells you to "bear right, and turn in .3 miles" and such.   No surprises, no sudden turns, no making u-turns to back to your missed turn.  If you miss the turn, it recalculates the route for you.

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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2008, 12:15:32 PM »
Thanks for that Steve - very informative!

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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2008, 01:09:36 PM »
Are SUV's (and other vehicles too, I'm afraid) so difficult to navigate that these people are lost
all the time and consequently need GPS ?  Please.......
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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2008, 01:15:28 PM »
Found mine to be not very useful on the bike. Not a good idea to be looking down ::) and with any sort of light at all, the screen would be hard to read. I do carry it along, but more of "map in my pocket" sort of thing. I usually just take off in some direction and find myself in previously unknown areas. Unless I want to backtrack on the way home I use it to figure out where I am and plot a new route for home and then it's back in the pocket.
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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2008, 01:28:34 PM »
im not sure about the roads in europe,but with the big green signs we have in the us,why does anyone need a gps?
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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2008, 01:30:01 PM »
im not sure about the roads in europe,but with the big green signs we have in the us,why does anyone need a gps?

I ride in some places with no signs, green or otherwise. ;D
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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2008, 01:40:55 PM »
dont you ever think about some of the green signs in areas you know well and see that they invariably point you to tolls and high volume high traffic areas. 

dont follow the green signs!

a map of every area i go to at various levels of detail that fits in my pocket would be just as good for trip planning.  know where i can find one?

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Re: Another question for you 'puter guys re:USB
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2008, 04:38:44 PM »
Your bike has 12v power and is a very noisy power source for a computer system.  The ignition and coils are unshielded, as well, so these radiate electromagnetic interference, which can zap or ay least confuse computer circuitry.

So, keep your voltage converter and all power wires well away from the ignition leads, and make your power tap into the bike electrical as close to the battery terminals as you can.  That battery is what irons out most of the noise spikes in the electrical system of an SOHC4.

I bought my wife a Garmin Nuvi 660 quite some time ago.  She has the worst time with navigation and has no directional sense.  Long ago, she San Fransisco with a friend to go to LA. Got on the correct freeway and drove the wrong ddirection for an hour before realizing the mistake.  She has driven 20 miles because of unfamilar roads when only five miles from home... to get home.  She's actually a very smart woman... just has no aptitude for navigation.
Anyway, she absolutely loves her Nuvi, and no longer gets in a worried, stressed out state when she has somewhere unfamiliar to go by herself.  The unit talks to her so she can still focus on diving rather than a map, or memorized instructions.  If you miss a turn for whatever reason, it recalculates your route so you still get where you are going without much hassle.  With written instructions or a map, you have to figure out corrections on the fly while negotiating traffic and reading road signs (if they aren't obscured or vandalized), and that is far more distracting than having the Nuvi simply revise it's instructions while you drive.  The moving map is nice to glance at now and again, and certainly helpful during pre-trip planning.  But, enroute, you don't need to pay much attention to it.  The Nuvi also compensates handily for the common practice (around here) to have the same street have three or four name changes along its route.

If you live in an area that is laid out in a strict grid, and you have a compass, the Nuvi other than the built in compass, isn't that necessary.  But, many areas have one way streets, and dead end streets to guide traffic onto major thruways.  Further, areas in hilly or mountainous terrain can twist your heading 180 degrees without leaving the road you are on.  At night or when you can't see otherwise normally appearing landmarks, the Nuvi will still get you where you wish to go, as the satellites are pretty reliable reference points.  If you drive, at all, in unfamiliar territory, they can save you time, frustration, and gasoline.

She also has the SD card and MP3 storage and playback capability.  It will take 4 gig cards.  The FM transmitter doesn't work well in this area as there are so many radio stations in this area, that there is no room on the dial to find a blank channel.  But, it works very well with a cassette converter, or a stereo with an aux input jack.  It will work with headphones too, which she uses for daily walking exercise, but not in the car.

I was very tempted to get the Zumo for me on the bikes.  But, they cost more than double that of a Nuvi.   Still, if I were to take a trip on the bike, I think I'd spring for one.

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