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Antivirus, Malware, Rootkit Protection for Windows PC's
« on: May 15, 2008, 10:35:30 AM »
Edit 7 July 2008: I have removed my recommendation for Sunbelt Personal Firewall after some minor problems with it on separate Windows installations. In its place, I wholeheartedly recommend Comodo Firewall for protection against "unauthorized network access." Unlike the Sunbelt product, Comodo Firewall is free.


I was going to post this in the discussion about Internet Explorer; however, I thought it might have a larger audience. I work in IT; friends and family routinely ask me for recommendations regarding antivirus programs. I have had difficulty in recommending free products, not because they are free, but because the IT security work I've done has made me paranoid, and thus, I choose the best of breed (always paid) products.

So, I did some research and now provide the recommendation below for friends, family, etc. As for protecting a Windows PC, there are several categories of attack against which a PC should be protected:
  • Unauthorized Network Access
  • Viruses
  • Gaining Remote Control of PC
  • Secret Program Replacement
  • Ads and Malware (trojans, etc.)
I recommend a suite of free tools to provide protection against these attacks:

Free PC Protection Software[1]


Type of Attack  Type of Protection  Recommended Software
Unauthorized Access  Firewall[2]  Comodo Firewall or Jetico Pers. Firewall, ZoneAlarm, Sunbelt Personal Firewall ($10)
Viruses  Anti-Virus  Avast Anti-Virus or AVG Antivirus, PC Tools Antivirus
Gaining Remote Control  Anti-Rootkit[3]  Sophos Anti-Rootkit or AVG Rootkit Free
Program Replacement  Anti-Intrusion  WinPatrol Anti Intrusion or SpywareGuard, or Process Guard
Ads/Malware  Anti-Ad/Malware  Ad-Aware or AVG AntiSpyware, Spyware Search & Destroy, a-Squared Free Anti-Malware.

The idea is to pick one piece of software for each of the 5 categories above. The first program in each category is my recommendation, while I feel the others are very good alternatives. These programs should run together without problem, and products of the same category should also run fine together. Of course, the programs should be regularly updated, and it is best if they are set to automatically update. Note that some security products can cover more than one category. This is especially true for some paid "security suites."[4] I based these recommendations on a combination of comprehensiveness and ease of use.



[1]Sunbelt Personal Firewall costs $10. The other programs in the firewall category are free.

[2]Windows XP and Vista include a built in firewall; however, this firewall is deficient. Two firewalls can be run at the same time without problem.

[3]As a slight aside, Sony BMG music was caught installing rootkits on user machines as a way to attempt to prevent copyright violation. Pop the music CD in the PC, and voila, an infected PC. There was an interesting issue in that Sony pre-installs antivirus software on its PC's. These vendors were extremely reluctant to classify the Sony rootkits as viruses. Nod32 from esset, the antivirus software I use, was among the first antivirus vendors to attack the Sony rootkits. Sony's has demonstrated an absolute disdain for its customers through its handling of this and other affairs. In my opinion, they are worse than Microsoft. I avoid purchasing Sony products.

[4]Norton security suites can provide good security; however, their products do not play well with others. Be careful when installing tools on top of Norton products. Also, uninstalling Norton products can be dangerous and in my experience can force an entire rebuilding of a Windows PC.

I am indebted to this article from OSNews as the basis for the above.
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Re: Antivirus, Malware, Rootkit Protection for Windows PC's
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2008, 11:02:04 AM »
Thanks Burma' for this. If it doesn't have gears and gaskets I'm at a loss!
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Re: Antivirus, Malware, Rootkit Protection for Windows PC's
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2008, 11:08:05 AM »
Thanks for the input.  I guess we just have to accept the never-ending fight to control our own computers...  :-\

Warning: self-congratulatory pat-on-the-back coming up

While I don't have an anti-root kit (never heard of such a thing) I do have at least one of each of your recommendations in the other categories.  Guess I'm leading a charmed life.

Now, if only I could get my K8 finished...

Seriously, thanks again.  Keep us updated if anything changes/new comes out.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2008, 11:47:08 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2008, 12:39:07 PM »
I would also recommend this program: http://www.ccleaner.com/.  It frees up a substantial amount of space on your hard drive from unused files, temp directories, and outdated (but never uninstalled) windows hotfixes.

I got rid of over a gig and a half of stuff on my macbook, and close to 2 gigs on my desktop.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2008, 02:26:04 PM »
Another great program for XP is dial-a-fix.
It is a compilation of fixes for windows errors from networking to updates and all kinds of other crap.

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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2008, 05:28:58 PM »
if you do any p2p file sharing, peerguardian  keeps outside sources from finding you out, such as riaa or whomever

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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2008, 06:12:42 PM »
  Using Avast and Ad-aware for a while now. Good tools and easy on the system memory. My buddies computer was so bogged down he was ready to buy another one. He had two disabled, outdated virus protection systems still installed but not used because his $50/yearly subscriptions had lapsed. Norton needed a special "tool" just to be un-installed and Mcafee is a system HOG. His PC is fast as it should be now. Mcafee and Norton can kiss my ass.


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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2008, 07:43:16 PM »
I've had decent luck with Norton 360.  Someone(IT guy) that 360 was new from the ground up, and unlike anything else before it.  Any thoughts, Burma?

Before that, I tried AVG.  Talk about a system hog!  Slowed me way down.
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2008, 07:56:26 PM »
AVG a system hog? What do you got? 350mhz? Norton 360 uses over 60 MB of ram and avg uses about 20 or so. This is on many systems. I have pulled many a 360 off machines cause it let viruses in that should have been caught. I see a lot of this with all the student machines that come in. The only time avg hogs is during updates which last about a minute and during scans which all av programs do.

One thing to remember is to only have ONE av program running at a time. Best to have only 1 on the system anyways.

But if you want to avoid viruses in the first place, run linux. I am on a linux system right now and can do anything that a windows system can do except for some games.

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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2008, 08:30:11 PM »

          Burma, sure do appreciate the time and effort you put into getting that info to us. ;) I am not Too PC literate my self and it sure helps to be able to find things out like that. I'm so far back, PC wise, that I'm using Windows 2000 (I've got 2 others that have Windows 98) can you get any more obsolete than that? Because of financial situation, I need freebie stuff, for now at least. :-\ I love it when you find a "FREE" Register Cleaner (or some such), they evaluate your PC and then tell you that for X number of dollars, they'll clean it up! ::)

 
            Want to also thank those who are offering things from their own experiences too. Every bit helps.

                                     
           
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2008, 08:38:39 PM »
Eldar, sounds like you actually do know things about something. Who would have guessed? ;) ;D ;D


    I got into computers to do typesetting/layout, surf the web, exchange info etc...but what got me inside the computer was the gaming. Right now I've been bombed into Oblivion and waiting for the Fallout to hit this Fall. Spend a bit of coin to build something fast and these av systems start to really matter.

 Starting up the PC and waiting for the av splash screen to hurry up and get off the desktop so the rest of the OS can load because you're jonesing to kill something is a bit different than turning on my workstation on the way to the coffee maker and having everything loaded by the time I get back. SECONDS MATTER!!! 

    And then there's all this background stuff that these av's do once their turned on. Having a graphic "hitch" while loading or having a large file pause while saving because the av chose that precise moment to check/load/run something is not such a big deal. But if that mother#$%*ing thing starts running at the exact moment that I am surrounded by enemy ships in some faraway galaxy and I DIE because I can't turn fast enough to escape or obliterate the Viagran Whorelord Battlecruiser that is pounding my ass with his proton cannon I am gonna have a nuclear hissyfit. ESPECIALLY if I have neglected to save progress for the last half hour ;)


    12 minutes or 12 hours of gaming with the av turned on and not one hitch. I love Avast :-* :-* :-* :-*

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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2008, 09:00:00 PM »
Bill, Windows 2k is my favorite version of Windows. I like its speed, clean interfaces and reliability. Many technology professionals feel the same way. I'd say to use it as long as it does what you need or want it to do.

The same is true for Windows 98. I have a friend who gets endless grief because he uses a Win98 machine. When his family gives him grief, I ask him, "Jim, does it do what you need it to do?"
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2008, 11:50:08 PM »
And nobody mentions Kaspersky? I went testing (everybody gives you 30 day trial nowadays) one through al major products - Norton, panda, mcafee, and so on, and Kaspersky won hands down. I mean, resources taken, speed of operation, level of detection and frequency of updates.

That's my favourite - kaspersky is THE software. And they did improve A LOT from the earlier verisons which had rather difficult, techincal interface. Set Kaspersky Internet Security will give all you need.

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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2008, 04:18:56 AM »
Great post Burma!
A lot of good basic info, and thats whats needed. None of the high tech gibberish a lot of puter savy folks try to confuse you with, just the bare bones truth.
As for "does it do what you need it to do?" the puter in the shed is still running windows 98 and is also my jukebox, works a treat. Wouldnt handle 2000 or XP but it cost me nothing and has served well for over 7 years now. Take all the files i get from here and other places out to it on disc for reference when working on the bike and have all the details of the escort on it, shows everything fine and if it goes boom, no cost no loss.
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2008, 06:16:48 AM »
I think the main issue with 98 is that there are no programs being written for it anymore. MS has not released any updates in over 2 years now. Basically the system is full of holes just cause of its age. Not saying it was a bad system or anything like that, its time is just over. However, most computers able to run 98 will run kubuntu. Which is the stripped version of ubuntu. No you do not have to do everything in terminal. The graphics are simpler and less programs run at one time.

2000 is stable but at the college here, we hate 2000 cause it is so slow. An xp machine will always beat a 2000 unless the pc is really old and only has a 500mhz and 128 ram. I ran xp pro on a laptop with a P3 850 and 256 ram. Sure not blazing but worked very well. But then again, I think the reason most computers run slow is cause so many people have loads of programs starting up when windows does. Of course this eats loads of memory, then they complain the system moves slow and blame windows!

Currently I feel ubuntu and xp are the best systems out there. 98 is dead and 2000 will be soon too. Meaning you cant even get paid support from MS and thus, no more updates.

I would add osX but I seriously dislike the apple mindset on their software/hardware.
It is because of this hardware control however that macs are stable. Not because of being a superior os. If windows controlled its hardware, it would rarely have stability issues too. But I must say, my xp machine which is over 4 years old, crashes less than my 1 year old I-mac I have at work.

I suppose a person can do a hackintosh and while I applaud people who do this, I question the form of apple's legal retribution. Besides, I can build an awesome game rig for less then your basic mac, aside from the mini that is but then the mini is only good for internet and email!

Regardless of what a person uses, simple rules apply. Do not go to questionable webpages. Do not open email that is suspect. If you download something from the net, do a virus scan on it first. A good scanner will detect problems. YOU DO NOT NEED A SHORTCUT FOR EVERY PROGRAM ON THE DESKTOP! Do not allow programs to run on start up, all this does it use up ram for the luxury of opening 2-3 seconds faster......maybe. If you do not know what a file is, DO NOT DELETE IT!!! Google it and find out first! ;D
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Re: Antivirus, Malware, Rootkit Protection for Windows PC's
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2008, 08:23:05 AM »
Eldar, you have extremely good points, and you provide good technical information, as always. I agree with almost everything you say. On the other hand, I had hoped to avoid a discussion about "best" OS, etc. because I think that these discussions sometimes confuse nontechnical users (and might detract from the very important information at the bottom of your post). We could take up the OS discussion in a new thread if you want. I don't believe in a universal "best" of anything, and I think you'd agree.

That said, I don't think I'd ever convince you that the K8 is not universally the best of the SOHC/4's. ;-)

No offense intended at all, Eldar. I value your input. :-)
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2008, 10:27:12 AM »
well how timely is this thread.
i am an avid Limewire downloader.no problems in 2 years of free music and videos....then tragedy :'(
i downloaded Lost season 4 episode 7 and now i have over 3000 Trojans and viruses :o
Mcafee has been trying to help me with there virtual tech (hahahaha)i have been using Mcaffe for over 2 years without any probs until last week.
i ran a scan last night and :o  what a joke.so i tried downloadind AVG....but i have to undo Mcafee first (or so AVG says)

any idea on how to really solve this issue ???
HELP!!!!!
i almost forgot....after scanning my computer for over 6 hours and finding 3700 items to quarantine....Mcafee choked and shut down the scan....so nothing was actually quarantined.the day before yesterday i ran a scan and only found 11 items that were quarantined and 2 that required a restart.....which did absolutely nothing
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2008, 11:45:37 AM »
I wasn't aware of PeerGuardian.  What a great little program!  I've already blocked about 40 anti-p2p IPs from my downloads...  A little scary actually.
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2008, 01:14:47 PM »
Burma, you are right about the best OS thing. There is no "best".

Neil, boot into safe mode without networking. Do the scan then. That should help mcafee from dying. Once it is done, reboot and go in normally. Run the scan again and see what pops up. You will most likely get more but it should be a lot less. You will probably want to delete that download too.

After this second scan, restart again and update mcafee if you can and scan one more time in safe mode. After that, scan with programs such as avg anti-spyware and spybot. You will most likely find things there too.

Download and run "hijack this". This will shows all sorts of things and you can use this to check out questionable things.

BTW to get into safe mode, tap F8 repeatedly as soon as you get your pc vendor splash screen i.e. dell or gateway or whatever you have. A black window opens and gives you boot options. Use the arrow keys to select safe mode and hit enter.

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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2008, 01:24:14 PM »
Burma, you are right about the best OS thing. There is no "best".

Neil, boot into safe mode without networking. Do the scan then. That should help mcafee from dying. Once it is done, reboot and go in normally. Run the scan again and see what pops up. You will most likely get more but it should be a lot less. You will probably want to delete that download too.

After this second scan, restart again and update mcafee if you can and scan one more time in safe mode. After that, scan with programs such as avg anti-spyware and spybot. You will most likely find things there too.

Download and run "hijack this". This will shows all sorts of things and you can use this to check out questionable things.

BTW to get into safe mode, tap F8 repeatedly as soon as you get your pc vendor splash screen i.e. dell or gateway or whatever you have. A black window opens and gives you boot options. Use the arrow keys to select safe mode and hit enter.
thanks Eldar.....I'll try that.....I'm not computer savvy.but i'm learning ;)
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2008, 02:29:46 PM »
If you can, go to ubuntu.com and download the new version and burn it to cd, yes cd. Small enough that it does not need a dvd. You can boot from disjk and try it without installing it.

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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2008, 03:41:59 PM »
Burma, you are right about the best OS thing. There is no "best".

Neil, boot into safe mode without networking. Do the scan then. That should help mcafee from dying. Once it is done, reboot and go in normally. Run the scan again and see what pops up. You will most likely get more but it should be a lot less. You will probably want to delete that download too.

After this second scan, restart again and update mcafee if you can and scan one more time in safe mode. After that, scan with programs such as avg anti-spyware and spybot. You will most likely find things there too.

Download and run "hijack this". This will shows all sorts of things and you can use this to check out questionable things.

BTW to get into safe mode, tap F8 repeatedly as soon as you get your pc vendor splash screen i.e. dell or gateway or whatever you have. A black window opens and gives you boot options. Use the arrow keys to select safe mode and hit enter.

   Most excellent advice, Eldar. Straightforward and well worded without all the extra tech jargon that can make people panic. Should be pretty easy for ya Neil, savvy or not
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Re: Antivirus, Malware, Rootkit Protection for Windows PC's
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2008, 03:58:38 PM »
Having a graphic "hitch" while loading or having a large file pause while saving because the av chose that precise moment to check/load/run something is not such a big deal. But if that mother#$%*ing thing starts running at the exact moment that I am surrounded by enemy ships in some faraway galaxy and I DIE because I can't turn fast enough to escape or obliterate the Viagran Whorelord Battlecruiser that is pounding my ass with his proton cannon I am gonna have a nuclear hissyfit. ESPECIALLY if I have neglected to save progress for the last half hour ;)


    12 minutes or 12 hours of gaming with the av turned on and not one hitch. I love Avast :-* :-* :-* :-*

    Now the only thing that can ruin my buzz is when one of the twin overclocked 8800gts cards overheat and I have to hit the "oh #$%*, I can't do ANYTHING" button on the front of the case ;) ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2008, 05:20:12 PM »
Having a graphic "hitch" while loading or having a large file pause while saving because the av chose that precise moment to check/load/run something is not such a big deal. But if that mother#$%*ing thing starts running at the exact moment that I am surrounded by enemy ships in some faraway galaxy and I DIE because I can't turn fast enough to escape or obliterate the Viagran Whorelord Battlecruiser that is pounding my ass with his proton cannon I am gonna have a nuclear hissyfit. ESPECIALLY if I have neglected to save progress for the last half hour ;)


    12 minutes or 12 hours of gaming with the av turned on and not one hitch. I love Avast :-* :-* :-* :-*

    Now the only thing that can ruin my buzz is when one of the twin overclocked 8800gts cards overheat and I have to hit the "oh #$%*, I can't do ANYTHING" button on the front of the case ;) ;D ;D ;D

Scondon, you play EVE online?

   I haven't played any online games yet. I'm afraid that if I merged my gaming "addiction" with my online community "obsession" that life as I now know it would cease to exist.

     One can only play so many Orc vs Elf, Soldier vs (insert person or thing), or "find the clue" games before they all begin to taste the same. From what I've read about EVE (admittedly just a little) it looks like if I were ever ready to pull the plug on life, EVE would be the poison of choice as it also includes my "passion" for science fiction  :)

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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2008, 09:55:21 PM »
My Dell laptop has a trojan named Cutwail that I cannot get rid of.  McAfee finds it and says it is deleted, but it is always back.  Same thing with the Microsoft malicious software scanner.  I'd like to catch up with whoever wrote that damn thing.
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2008, 09:58:46 PM »
My Dell laptop has a trojan named Cutwail that I cannot get rid of.  McAfee finds it and says it is deleted, but it is always back.  Same thing with the Microsoft malicious software scanner.  I'd like to catch up with whoever wrote that damn thing.
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i'm running a scan right now that has been going on for 8 hours at least.approaching the breakdown point it reached last night.
i'm at a whopping 3192 items found and quarantined....fingers crossed :-\
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Re: Antivirus, Malware, Rootkit Protection for Windows PC's
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2008, 10:07:07 PM »
the ms scanner is not really worth much. I used it for a while when it first came out about 3 years ago or so and it was decent then, of course ms adds bloat and tries to do to much and then there are too many cracks.

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Re: Antivirus, Malware, Rootkit Protection for Windows PC's
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2008, 01:27:17 AM »
As a general rule - I run ALWAYS minimum of 2 partitions where 1 is for system (windows) only, and other for data storage, etc. Then usually once a year i just reformat the system partition and run Kaspersky - never a problem.
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