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1975 CB 550K
« on: July 11, 2008, 10:53:16 PM »
Hello to all. I am new to this forum and greatly ask for your advice.
I have the opportunity to purchase a Honda 1975 CB 550 with about 7800 miles on it. Bike is in excellent condition with a recent service.
I own a 1975 CB 125S with 2400 original miles and love it. I just want something a little more powerful that I can also take a passenger on.
The seller is asking $2600 for the bike. The blue book is around $700, but I assume the KBB on the bike is greatly undervalued.
Is the seller asking a fair price?
Thank you to all and I hope it is alright to discuss prices on this forum
John

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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2008, 01:16:55 AM »
A picture would help greatly, 2600 seems steep even for a really nice 550 but it all depends really.
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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2008, 02:19:48 AM »
  I'll put it this way: YES  :o.  That bike should need nothing, not even an oil change, for that price.  If it's modded it should be running reliably and look great, and if stock everything should be there and again, running like a top. 
  You'd be hard pressed to find a 550 in anyone's posession on this forum that would ask that much for theirs unless they'd spent a lot of time on it, it looked great, and it started w/ one kick every time. Or even a quick blip on the starter.
  If they say it's been maintained impeccably, check the tires, seat, control operation, and ask:

Last oil change?
What about the points?
What kinda mileage are you getting?
Battery hold a charge okay?

  Pull the left side cover and look over the electrical plate, fuses.  Use your gut here.  If he happens to start rattling off all the maintenance items he's covered but neglects to mention the cam chain, innocently ask how to adjust it.  If he doesn't know and does all the maintenance himself....could be something to watch out for if the bike rattles or you hear some noise from the valvetrain.  Kind of a weak point on these bikes, as it gets neglected and the mechanism tends to seize or break.
  Any fuel leaking anywhere?  If you go look at it, make sure the bike's cold before he starts it up for you, as less-than-honest sellers will hide potential starting problems w/ this tactic.
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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2008, 03:06:45 PM »
Thank you for the advice. I went to look at the bike today. It is in mint condition. Exhaust and all chrome looks brand new. Tires have less than 100 miles on them.
Bike started cold on one kickstart and also electric start works perfectly.
Here are some pics. Seller won't go lower than $2500.









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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2008, 04:03:01 PM »
Thank you for the advice. I went to look at the bike today. It is in mint condition. Exhaust and all chrome looks brand new. Tires have less than 100 miles on them.
Bike started cold on one kickstart and also electric start works perfectly.
Here are some pics. Seller won't go lower than $2500.
It is NOT in mint condition.  It looks to be in very good, even excellent condition.  The speedometer has been replaced.  So, mileage claims are dubious without convincing records.  A rear signal mount is bent. The side cover paint doesn't match the tank, either.  So, one of the two has been replaced.

No doubt it is a fine example.  He'll go lower on the price if given a firm offer and he keeps it another month or two.
It's a matter if you'd rather have the bike, or $2500, at this point.  It better have the Original owner's manual and the complete tool kit under the seat.

Why no picture of the left side?

Are you going to ride it as is? Or, make modifications?

Be aware, the seat will likely split within a year of riding.  It's old plastic, and the "seams" won't take much flex during use anymore.
If the front brake line rubber is original,  It's highly likely that it will need replacement soon.
The rear shocks are worn out.

My 74 CB550 was $1880.49 out the Honda dealer door with tax and license in 3-30-74.

They are very nice bikes to ride.
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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2008, 04:12:03 PM »
Thank you for the wonderful observations.
I did notice the blue color of the speedometer. It has the original green on the outside. I was weary of the miles so I asked him about it. He said it probably became faded at some point and the original color can be seen on the outer edges. I am inclined to believe that the bike has only 7800 miles on it due to the overall condition. I didn't notice the signal mount when I was there but do notice it now. The side cover on the seat is an extra which he said he would give me. The 2 side covers that are on it appear to be in excellent condition. Are you talking about the covers that are on it. They looked good as compared to the tank, but I am no expert. It does have original manual and tool kit in pristine condition.
I will ride it like is. I prefer it to look original.
I am aware of the seat problems. I have that problem with my CB 125S.
How can you tell that the rear shocks are worn?


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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2008, 05:28:31 PM »
Wow so that's what the green looks like in good condition. 
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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2008, 05:43:19 PM »
Thank you for the wonderful observations.
I did notice the blue color of the speedometer. It has the original green on the outside. I was weary of the miles so I asked him about it. He said it probably became faded at some point and the original color can be seen on the outer edges. I am inclined to believe that the bike has only 7800 miles on it due to the overall condition. I didn't notice the signal mount when I was there but do notice it now. The side cover on the seat is an extra which he said he would give me. The 2 side covers that are on it appear to be in excellent condition. Are you talking about the covers that are on it. They looked good as compared to the tank, but I am no expert. It does have original manual and tool kit in pristine condition.
I will ride it like is. I prefer it to look original.
I am aware of the seat problems. I have that problem with my CB 125S.
How can you tell that the rear shocks are worn?



he means that the fading on the tank is greater than the fading on the covers- so they did not age together, one or the other- or both was replaced.  no big deal.  but along those lines the dude is lying to you about the speedo.  it is a replacement.  blue speedos came on another model..  then you have to wonder what else he is attempting to conceal. 

look up "rocker cover wear" on the trusty SMF search function and learn what to look for under the cam covers.  It is very close to stock and if it runs well without the rocker cover wear I could see it being worth the money but your local market your desire to buy and his desire to sell all effect that price. 

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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2008, 09:49:43 PM »
I did notice the blue color of the speedometer. It has the original green on the outside. I was weary of the miles so I asked him about it. He said it probably became faded at some point and the original color can be seen on the outer edges.
Be very wary, he is lying.  I have original instrument faces from 74, 75, 76, 77, and 78.  When the faces fade they fade in the exact same way.  The only explanation for them to not be the same color is that they came from different bikes.  This puts serious doubt as to the accuracy of the odometer.
According to the Honda Motorcycle Identification Guide, Published by Honda, the 1975 CB550 K1 should have Dark Green instrument faces.  My 77 and 78 Cb550s have Dark Blue faces.

The side cover on the seat is an extra which he said he would give me. The 2 side covers that are on it appear to be in excellent condition. Are you talking about the covers that are on it. They looked good as compared to the tank, but I am no expert.
The paint on the side covers is far more vibrant than the paint on the tank.  Maybe the tank is a faded original and the side covers were purchased in the same color scheme.  Maybe the original The Flake Sunrise Orange was damaged or rusty and replaced with the Candy Jade Green that was also offered in '75.  Maybe that's how he came to have a "spare" orange side cover?  Either way, if he is representing both tank and side covers as original to the bike, he is lying about that, too, though they are original style.
I don't care a lot about the "extra" side cover color.  The spare side cover sitting on the seat adds, at most, $50-$75 to the sales price, and good luck finding a matching non-faded color for it, along with a tank.  Buy, how much are you willing to pay for it to sit on your shelf instead of his?

It does have original manual and tool kit in pristine condition.
I will ride it like is. I prefer it to look original.
I am aware of the seat problems. I have that problem with my CB 125S.
Then you may place a higher value on a bike that is close to stock condition.  But, do NOT pay for this bike thinking it is in original condition.  Be wary of the "salesmanship, gilding the Lilly" aspect. 

How can you tell that the rear shocks are worn?
The stock rear shocks weren't very good when new.  The expected useful life is only about 5000 miles, 10,000 miles at best.  The springs last quite a long time.  But, the shock absorbing aspect just sort of goes away, even if they don't leak.

Make sure the number stamped into the headstock steel on the left side, matches the number on the riveted tag on the left side, and that those match the title and registration data.

Cheers,
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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2008, 10:36:49 PM »
Thank you again for your invaluable information. Let's say for arguments sake that this bike was completely original and did in fact have 7800 miles on it. What would it be worth then?

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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2008, 10:40:52 PM »
http://www.bikepics.com/members/bender01/75cb550/
 hers a link to my 75 550k the week i got it home. last october. I paid less than half what your guy is asking. But my pipes have been patched Im the second owner and first to do any maintenance. That has cost money like tools tires chain carb cleanings,sync guage etc. If that bike is road ready and no holes in the exhaust I think 1400- 1800 is fair. Tools title and manual included. My bike had 10900 miles last fall. Now12800
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So, the strategy is to lie to people you are asking for help?

I think I'll be busy going for a ride.

Good luck!
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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2008, 10:43:58 PM »
I also wouldnt take 2500 for mine so I guess that last post was pointless
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I think I'll be busy going for a ride.

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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2008, 10:53:18 PM »
Thank you again for your invaluable information. Let's say for arguments sake that this bike was completely original and did in fact have 7800 miles on it. What would it be worth then?

To Me?  The Seller?  To You?  And in what part of the world?  There are at least three prices.  And, far more if you select a different part of the country, and a different time of year.

Where I am and for me, I'd value that bike at $1500-$2000, if I thought I could ride it for two years without any service besides tune ups and oil changes.  Any parts I need to keep it driving safely, like Chain, sprockets, tires, shocks, wheel bearings, or brake hoses, I would subtract from that price.

If it were completely original, which I don't believe is the case, $2500 would be reasonable asking price.  I would still subtract for any item that needed replacing in the next two years of riding.

But, that's just me... ;D
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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2008, 02:04:07 AM »
buy a cheap beater and fix it save the extra 2000 for parts and mods and make it your own.

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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2008, 08:47:02 AM »
Thank you all for your comments. While I would love to find a good fixer upper for cheap, I just don't have the time to fix up a bike. I want to ride now. So if I have to pay a few extra hundred dollars to be on the road tomorrow, I will.  ;)
Yea, I could wait and find a good 550 for $1500 or so, it will surely need at least a few hundred in repairs. This bike is ready to ride. The seller has come down and additional $200 to $2300.
I am going to take the day to think about it, but probably will buy it.
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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2008, 09:12:00 AM »
You know diver...it sounds like you fell for that bike.  I have to admit it looks awful nice from the pics.  If you want a bike that will turn heads this one will.  If you want a bike that is ready to go with little work then this is it.  If you want a bike with nice OEM exhaust (which is pretty costly) this looks to be the one.  You have to keep in mind the guys here are pretty much experts in this vintage field.  They can spot a flaw a mile away even from a picture.  That being said, the majority of the population that will see your bike will be in awe of it.  Go get it...today.  ;D Clean it, polish it, ride it, show it.  I am sure you will be a proud owner and have a blast with it.   
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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2008, 10:32:27 AM »
You know diver...it sounds like you fell for that bike.  I have to admit it looks awful nice from the pics.  If you want a bike that will turn heads this one will.  If you want a bike that is ready to go with little work then this is it.  If you want a bike with nice OEM exhaust (which is pretty costly) this looks to be the one.  You have to keep in mind the guys here are pretty much experts in this vintage field.  They can spot a flaw a mile away even from a picture.  That being said, the majority of the population that will see your bike will be in awe of it.  Go get it...today.  ;D Clean it, polish it, ride it, show it.  I am sure you will be a proud owner and have a blast with it.   

Well said Johnie... ;D
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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2008, 11:04:51 AM »
In the final analysis, the bike is simply a tool. 
It is better to pay too much for a tool that works and performs the job, than to pay too little and have the tool fail upon use.

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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2008, 03:24:17 PM »
Thank you all for your intelligent and thoughtful remarks.
I have purchased the bike and it is simply a dream.
I may have paid a few hundred bucks over what I should have, but I love this bike!
You are a great bunch of people who have really been great over the past day.
Thank you again!!
Will post pictures soon!

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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2008, 03:44:23 PM »
Diver...you said it all.  Congrats on the purchase.  We love pics here... ;D
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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2008, 05:37:04 PM »
Yeah Its a nice bike. It will turn heads and start conversations . It has Plenty of power to pass cars and sounds awesome doing it.. You wont regret it. Sell that sidecover for a green guage.
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I think I'll be busy going for a ride.

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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2008, 06:14:34 PM »
I got into this thread too late.  I was just about to say "do it", but you did it.

But I hope it's not too late to say keep the 125.  Everyone should have multiple motorcycles.

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« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2008, 06:38:06 PM »
I have a '75 that was that color. The bike sat outside for about 10 years, and the tank was way faded and the side covers hardly were at all. That's a great looking bike. Work out a deal!!

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« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2008, 06:40:02 PM »
I didn't see that you bought it. Congrats!!

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Re: 1975 CB 550K
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2008, 07:21:46 PM »
Everyone should have multiple motorcycles.

333, I've been trying to tell my wife the same thing. But she feels differently.  :)
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'89 Honda GB500 (Sold)
'75 Honda CB400F (Sold)
'08 Triumph Bonneville T-100 (Sold)
'14 Triumph Scrambler

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