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Offline rbmgf7

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Possible solution to the F2/F3 valve guide problem
« on: July 11, 2008, 06:11:02 PM »
i remember reading this way back when:
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=10540.msg129324#msg129324

what if you were to shim/trim the cam tower's base? i don't know which way the stress is being concentrated on the valve but apparently the rocker arms angularity is pushing the valve more in a second axis causing more friction along the valve guide walls then a regular 750 without this problem. if you were to shim/deck the towers ever so slightly, you might be able to realign the rocker arms angularty where it pushes more on one axis.

i know shimming/decking the tower will cause a slight difference in cam chain distance but not too much then having the head decked
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Re: Possible solution to the F2/F3 valve guide problem
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2008, 05:02:04 PM »
no one else, eh? i guess F2's aren't worth the effort anymore  ;D

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Re: Possible solution to the F2/F3 valve guide problem
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2008, 06:33:52 AM »
It does sound like a possible solution. Wonder if any master mechanics have tried?

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Re: Possible solution to the F2/F3 valve guide problem
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2008, 10:09:02 AM »
If what you're suggesting is simply raising/lowering the cam towers then that will do nothing for the valve angles and will present another reason for the infamous rubber sealing o ring pucks under the cam towers to leak. Also might move the cam lobes, which are bigger on these bikes, too close to the valve cover if raised. A stretched cam chain might handle this but a stretched cam chain should be replaced. Won't work bottom line.
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Re: Possible solution to the F2/F3 valve guide problem
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2008, 10:51:57 AM »
If what you're suggesting is simply raising/lowering the cam towers then that will do nothing for the valve angles and will present another reason for the infamous rubber sealing o ring pucks under the cam towers to leak. Also might move the cam lobes, which are bigger on these bikes, too close to the valve cover if raised. A stretched cam chain might handle this but a stretched cam chain should be replaced. Won't work bottom line.

i know the valve angles cannot be changed but the rocker's tangential force placed upon the head of the valve can be by shimming/decking the towers base. i don't know much about the puck leak, i didn't have any leakage on my F when i disassembled it. plus, decking shouldn't effect the bases figure. shimming might but that's what RTV is for  :P.

we're just talking a few thousandths here. if the cam lobes are just a few thou from clearing the valve cover, i guess this wouldn't work or you could shave a little off the roof. plus, the more you shim/deck, the more you off-center the tappet from striking the valve (but then again, this is the basis behind my theory).

true, only way to have the cam chain comply is if it was stretched a little. new chain may not work but one with a couple thousand miles may. the tensioner should let loose some of the slack needed to raise the tower. if you were to deck, it's just the same is milling the head and again, tensioner takes up the slack. again, it's just a few thousandths of an inch we're talking here.

i'm just a little baffled why the exhuast wear out the most. you never hear about the intake guides. unless honda just canted the exhaust valves. if so this idea of mine may then mess up the intakes. hrm...

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Re: Possible solution to the F2/F3 valve guide problem
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2008, 04:53:53 AM »
If you're worried about the cam chain length you might be able to make your own.  I spoke with a guy who used to run a CB750-powered midget racer.  He ran a .060" base spacer to get away with CB900 rods (1.5mm longer than SOHC750).  To accomodate this he made his own cam chains out of "#219 Shifter Cart Chain" as he put it.  He told me to go find a shop that deals in shifter-cart parts and buy a length of #219 chain and a 219 chain tool and I could make all the cam chains I wanted.  The motor project I was talking to him about is presently stalled due to lack of finances (trying to buy a house) and as such I didn't try it myself yet but you could conceivably make a camchain one link longer to allow you to space the towers.