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MC,

You're doing a good job here. Saving me the trouble.

Geoff,

Think about what you have. Accept it or move on. It's your choice not his. Don't get in a pissing contest. It's not his fault you had the accidents. Sounds like your boss likes your production. Sounds like he is doing good things for you too. Much more than many. BUT there is a breaking point in every relationship so don't go over that line and mess up the relationship. I did and I'm getting divorced  ;) but that's another story in itself that's OK by me  ;D. Same type analogy though. Please say hello to the lovely wife for me.
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Get this!... I'm driving along this morning, headed to an appointment and SMACK a rock chips my windshield!!  Did I mention the day after the new windshield was put in I had another rock fly up and chip it?  ya, so, here's the list...
crash
new windshield
crack
fix crack
blown tire
put on spare
crack
still need fixin... crash, tire, new crack :(

The gods hate me right now


Now that I'm re-checking my math, its not that close.  Maybe I was trying to justify his end of the bargain.  Lets say I do 150 miles one day.  150 / 18mpg x 3.30$ per gal = $27.5 ... I dont even really need to do the other math to know theres a pretty big difference.  But here it is 150 x .55 = $82.50

I forgot one important detail in my math, he will supposedly cover most maintenance issues, so that does bring the number up.  But, covering a set of tires here and a few plugs there, really doesn't equate to making up that $50/day difference between paying for gas or paying the federal rate.  I think the main thing that I'm losing out on right now is vehicle depreciation.  While its value is only around 4k, it won't be that for long when I'm putting 30-40k on it a year.

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One thing I should mention... I don't expect him to come up with anything for previous stuff, we made the agreement and I'll stick to that.

But I am considering letting him know that I am no longer comfortable with our agreement and offering a few solutions and simply ask him to reconsider as well and offer his own solutions.

I do value my job, and I've said nothing so far because of that.
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" Lets say I do 150 miles one day.  150 / 18mpg x 3.30$ per gal = $27.5 ... I dont even really need to do the other math to know theres a pretty big difference.  But here it is 150 x .55 = $82.50"

While there are always short term examples where it doesn't work out. in the bigger picture, the idea is if the employee banks that difference they will have enough to buy the tires when needed, do the maintenance, etc. And if you had a car with better mileage, the difference is even bigger.

The Federal Rate is derived from a survey of rental car companies, for their total cost of operating a vehicle. They average across the spectrum of low mileage SUVs and the like to the higher mileage compact cars. Its usually a year rate, but in years when the fuel costs have been volatile, they'll make a mid year adjustment. Written agreements should be allowed to float with the rate rather than being a fixed number. Otherwise you have to keep adjusting the agreement.

For 2009 it was 55¢, 2010 it was 50¢, 2011 it is 51¢ till 6/30; then 55.5¢ from 7/1 to 12/31. It is considered all inclusive. Only a mileage log is required.

I realize you need the low mpg truck. The margin is less. You can always use "actual expenses" if it is more appropriate to your situation and everyone agrees. But the bookkeeping is a lot more intense. In addition to the mileage log which must still be kept as in the Fed rate plan, you'll have to keep track of actual expenses, fuel, oil, maiintenacne, insurance premiums and deductibles spent, etc. duh.

Both of these are considered "accountable plans". No reporting is necesary on the tax return. eazy peazy.

You really shouldn't pick and choose. And a flat dollar amount is the WORST. Everything must be reported on the return and any excess is considered taxable income.
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I've always thought companies making employees use their own vehicles was just another corporate cop out. So they pay you mileage? They turn around and deduct the same amount to the feds, even steven, they pay nothing. If a company requires the use of a vehicle to do the job then that is the cost of doing business, it shouldn't be put on the backs of the employees. While I complain, our company does the same damn thing. Only we make the lowest paid employees use their vehicles, the couriers, and the project managers that make a decent salary get company vehicles. It pisses me off. Especially since gas is around $4 gallon and maintenance is going up, and depreciation for used vehicles is high as well. But I don't drive for our company so I don't use my vehicle.



Eh, what can you do......drink, get stoned, go postal, etc, etc.
This post is wrong in so many ways. I'll just take the first. To say a company gets to write off an expense so they pay nothing is to admit you don't understand writeoffs. If you write off a dollar for an expense, your tax offset is your tax bracket. If your bracket is 30%, you save 30 cents in taxes. You're still out of pocket 70 cents for the expense. IF the emloyee takes in a reimbursement of $1 in an accountable plan, it is $1 tax free. At 55cents per mile, for most vehicles this is more than the cost of running it, so the difference is tax free income.

Employees being reimbursed at the Federal Rate under an accountable plan is a good deal for the employee. The employer benefits because they don't have to maintain a fleet, and the bookkeeping is much easier.

Corporate cop out? Sigh.

Then explain to me why if my company pays me for the mileage or gives me a desk and a phone then I can't deduct these from my taxes? If my company does not pay me for these things and they are an expense to me in the course of doing my job, then i can deduct them. 


"The employer benefits because they don't have to maintain a fleet" Exactly, let them buy their own damn vehicles.
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Your question doesn't make any sense. Never mind.  :(
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Duanob... you're asking if your boss buys things for you if you can deduct them as business expenses, even though no money of yours went into it?  Sorry, just not the way it works. 
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 what I was getting at a few posts back, was.. if you save say 300 a month on gas getting to work, and the truck is worth say 3000ish..its getting paid for sort of.. just becomes another tool.. maybe I am wrong..
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