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« on: January 22, 2009, 10:05:20 AM »
 Ok Great White Northerners any body have a clue about the range of Grey Wolves can't find much about them in local county material. Also anyone have a picture of them running?
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2009, 10:08:14 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2009, 10:23:46 AM »
Grey wolves range would be from middle of the US about to almost all of canada.

Geographic Range: Presently the Gray Wolf inhabits Michigan's Upper Peninsula, northern Minnesota and Wisconsin and a large geographic range in Alaska, Canada, Europe, Middle East and Asia. The gray wolf once lived in diverse regions as Israel and Egypt.

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2009, 11:35:56 AM »

Also anyone have a picture of them running?



Did a quick Google search for

Grey wolf running

and

Grey wolves running

and got quite a few options.  May also want to try this spelling: gray.


You've got lots to choose from.

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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2009, 12:13:26 PM »
Thanks Guys that's what I needed I was just confirming what I saw motoring through the deep snow in the front yard, found human tracks a while after ward, looked like some one was after the wolf, but no one talked to me about it, I'll have to put the word out, if they're on my land they talk to me first. >:(
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2009, 12:19:32 PM »
If I had land, unless the wolves were a problem, I would never let anyone hunt them. I think they just recently came off the endangered list.

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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 01:14:42 PM »
I favor leaving them be myself, but I guess if I owned cattle/sheep I might think otherwise. According to some, there are a few in the northern, lower peninsula of Michigan. I have to wonder if some sightings are mistakes. I've seen some pretty healthy coyotes in the U.P. that could be mistaken by some as wolves. Besides, how did they sneak across the bridge? :)

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Wildlife biologists with the Michigan Department of Natural Resources have been looking into reports of wolf sightings in Lower Michigan for three years without turning up evidence of a pack.
The DNR received 219 reports of wolf sightings in the Lower Peninsula last year and officials say at least a few wolves are probably roaming the woods, the Traverse City (Mich.) Record-Eagle reported.
"They are here, probably in small numbers, and are staying away from people," wildlife biologist Brian Mastenbrook told the newspaper.
More than 400 wolves live in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, which is separated from the rest of the state by the Straits of Mackinac.
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Re: Wolves
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2009, 04:18:22 AM »
there's a great book called "in praise of wolves" by r. d. lawrence
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Re: Wolves
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2009, 04:27:05 AM »
Well I live in a rural area and I don't want to upset the locals but unless the wolf, wolves are threatening me and mine I still think that live and let live is the best way, as far as people running around with guns blazing away they must be made aware that I may shoot back, and I used to be a good shot.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2009, 04:33:53 AM »
There are more Coyotes in Southern Ontario than Wolves, at least that I have seen.

Around the farm, we see a wolf maybe once every few months, which is located about an hour north of Toronto.

You probably saw a wolf. Wolves hunt, and often travel alone (they only pack up to hunt large prey) whereas coyotes always hunt in packs. Another interesting fact is that a wolf pack will walk single file through the bush to hide their numbers whereas coyotes run all over the place.

You might have also seen somebody's pet. My dog looks an awful lot like a grey wolf  ;)

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Re: Wolves
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2009, 04:53:46 AM »
Thanks Matt but most of the coyotes look kind of scroungy next to this one and I'm about 4 hours (3 1/2-4)
north of T.O. just outside of Wiarton on the Bruce pennisula. This one was running away, so didn't see any of it's compatriots.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2009, 04:56:13 AM »
Demon, like Matt I'm a farm boy and own a lot of forested land. Coyotes are always around and always anounce their arrival, noisy buggars. Wolves are certainly more elusive, but I had one hang around and allow us to see him often, a few years back, very cool animal.

I wish there were more wolves around, it might help control this out of control deer population. And there are no wolves shot on my piece of dirt either!

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2009, 05:30:51 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2009, 06:21:19 AM »
We actually see the odd one even down here near where I live. My buddy's dad lives in a semi rural area in Oshawa and actually have seen one or 2 on his property. Not sure if it was one of them or one of the NUMEROUS coyotes that got his beagle but he immediately grabbed his 12 guage and went for a walk. Problem is his property backs on to a golf course...I think he surprised the guys on the 14th tee when he walked out of the bush with his gun shouldered!

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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2009, 06:22:22 AM »
One of the best books I've read was: "Never Cry Wolf" by Farley Mowat.  It actually gives insight into wolf habits, but is a real laugh to read.  After reading and enjoying the author's exploits, you likely will be a wolf fan.

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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2009, 07:11:57 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2009, 07:14:46 AM »
  Bill - if you're sure it's not one of those "brush wolves" you Ontarians pump yer coyotes to be, you might want to carry one of those 2x4s on the strolls around your property.

  Attacks on humans are rare and fatalities involving wild wolves are virtually unheard of. But in  recent years there have been notable wolf attacks and incidents here in Sk.  A common thread is that wolves have been either fed by humans or have been eating at garbage dumps.
    
November, 2005    -At Points North Landing, Sask., Kenton Joel Carnegie, 22, died after an apparent wolf attack, although the province has yet to release its final report on the case. There have been reports that wolves in the area had been eating garbage from an open landfill nearby.
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    December 2004   - Near the Key Lake mine, Sask., Fred Desjarlais was jogging down a mine road when he was attacked by a wolf. It repeatedly bit him on the arms and torso. He wrestled it to the ground. Some co-workers arrived in a vehicle and helped scare the wolf away. The mine operator, Cameco, later put an electrified fence around its dump.
    
Fred Desjarlais shows one of several wolf bites he received on New Year's Eve



   January 4, 2005     The Saskatoon StarPhoenix
  A Saskatoon man's evening jog became a struggle for his life in northern Saskatchewan when a timber wolf lunged at his head and sunk its teeth into his leg.

With his adrenaline surging, Fred Desjarlais, 55, was able to fight off several attacks by the large predator before jumping on its back and wrestling it into submission long enough for a passing busload of co-workers to arrive and scare the beast away.

"I don't know what came over me or how I did it. All I know is I had his head and I wasn't letting go until someone came to help me," said Desjarlais, a soft-spoken man who works for Cameco Corp.'s uranium milling facility in Key Lake, about 640 kilometres north of Saskatoon.

He was recovering Monday at his Saskatoon home and suffering from bouts of post-traumatic stress that have stolen his sleep.

"I try not to dwell on it too much or I can't rest at all," said Desjarlais, who is planning on seeing a specialist this week for help.

At one point in the tilt, he and the wolf were face to face as the beast went up on its hind legs and looked down at Desjarlais.

"He had a big mouth and a big head, I know that much."

"It was a bad attack -- it bit him twice really badly -- but Fred's a remarkable man and very heroic," said Kimm Barker, Cameco's Key Lake safety officer. "It wasn't a very smart wolf because of all the people it could have picked, it chose one of the strongest."

It was New Year's Eve and Desjarlais had just finished his shift at 7 p.m. Instead of catching the shuttle back to the camp facility (temporary residence for workers) he decided to jog the three kilometres. Along the way he heard something and glanced back just as the animal crept out of the ditch and walked toward him.

"He was taunting me, (walking) in a circle around me," Desjarlais said. "I looked around real quick and thought, 'I hope he's alone.' He was as far as I could see."

Desjarlais hollered and tried to scare the animal off but then it lunged at his head. He jumped to the side and dodged it but the wolf came back.

"That's when I knew he meant business," said Desjarlais, who eluded a second lunge but the wolf quickly spun around and got to the man's back, biting into his shoulder area.

Fortunately, Desjarlais was wearing several layers of clothing which prevented the bite from breaking the skin, but it did leave significant bruising. The wolf then turned its attention to Desjarlais' lower body and ripped into his jeans, biting twice around the pelvic area.

"He knew he was in deep trouble so he jumped on the wolf's back and tried to subdue it," said Barker.

They both fell over and got back up. When his chance came again, Desjarlais made good. He locked onto the wolf's back and threw his arms around the animal's head, putting it into a headlock.

"I pulled him down the way you would take down cattle (for roping) and I dropped onto his head, pinning him there," said Desjarlais, who held on 30-40 seconds before coworkers returning to camp on the bus spotted the pair.

"He was pretty much at the end of his string. His strength was draining," said Barker.

The men jumped out and scared the wolf away then carried Desjarlais into one of the on-site medical facilities. He also suffered numerous scrapes and bruises from rolling around.

He was stitched and transferred by air ambulance to Saskatoon's Royal University Hospital (RUH) where he was treated and released without needing to be admitted overnight.

"He may not be the tallest guy around -- he's only 5-foot-9 -- but Fred is extremely strong. He manhandled this thing," Barker said. "If it had happened to anybody else, we wouldn't have had quite as good of an outcome. Fred probably saved somebody else's life because if it wasn't him it would have been the next guy on the road."

Barker estimates the wolf weighed "at least" 100 pounds and was taller than Desjarlais when it stood on its hind legs.

"It's a big dog. And it was extremely aggressive," he said. "And the canine teeth which bit into Fred were at least an inch long."

Wolves are common to the Key Lake site but it is rare they interact with the people. Most travel in packs and run from humans.

"But if they get kicked out of the pack for some reason or leave the pack because they are ill, that's when they become a problem," said Barker.

There is the occasional incident, such as in 1984 when one animal ran up and stole a sandwich from the hand of a worker. They are probably attracted by the readily available food. Although garbage is dumped and covered, the animals dig it up.

"We're not supposed to burn it for environmental reasons," said Barker.

The wolf that attacked Desjarlais was tracked that same night with no luck. The next day, it was located near the site of the incident, sitting in the same place.

It was shot and killed and is being sent to a Saskatchewan Environment lab for testing. Fluid samples collected from the area of the attack and from Desjarlais will be used to match against the animal that was shot.

Desjarlais has told Cameco that he'll return to work next week, as long as it doesn't interfere with the rabies shots and other medications he must take.


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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2009, 07:21:05 AM »
Thats not a wolf fault though. We took over their land and as such, things like this will probably continue. We still have more to fear from each other I would suspect.
We have the same thing in the US except with cougars and I doubt many could out wrestle one of them.

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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2009, 08:33:53 AM »
Thats not a wolf fault though. We took over their land and as such, things like this will probably continue. We still have more to fear from each other I would suspect.

+1, and I'd have more fear of being bitten by one of those black widow spiders you have up there in the peninsula Bill  :D

On a side note, one summer when I was working in the north I befriended this fox. I was able to get this close shot one day during feeding time. A couple of times he would eat from my hand. Sadly, I found him one day curled up in a shed. He had passed on during the night. I belive he must have had a disease of some sort.



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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2009, 09:35:56 AM »
Matt, we had a similar relationship with one of those foxes when I worked in Scarborough. Believe it or not it only had 3 legs but survived quite well. I was working in an office building that was about a quarter mile from a mall and between the 2 buildings was a grassy field with a few trees around as part of a green space surrounding other adjacent government buildings. Anyways, that little guy did alright for himself living off of the scraps around the mall and dumpsters. We would sit outside and he would wander quite close to us. Never got to the point where he would eat out of our hands...but close!

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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2009, 07:02:03 PM »
Those who make their living raising sheep and cattle generally have a different view of wolves than those who just buy their meat at a store.  I do agree that mankind has taken over wolf territory.  Every villiage, town, city and metropolis in North America is built one territory once roamed by wolves, coyotes, bears, lions (as we call big cats here) etc.  Guess we should all move out, raze the cities and let them have the country back.

Can you guess it irritates me to hear people who have bought twenty acres or so crying that we have taken over areas roamed by wildlife?  If they really were worried about that they'd stay in metropolitan areas and leave their twenty acres for wildlife to roam.

As for "it's not the wolf's (or lion's) fault" when one attacks someone - maybe not.  But there is nothing against the person attacked defending him or herself with a firearm.  Nor is there anything wrong with a rancher defending livestock the same way, except in the view of those who have nothing to lose from predator attacks.

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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2009, 11:06:20 PM »
One of the best books I've read was: "Never Cry Wolf" by Farley Mowat.  It actually gives insight into wolf habits, but is a real laugh to read.  After reading and enjoying the author's exploits, you likely will be a wolf fan.

Saw the movie years ago; the guy who played "Toad" in American Graffiti starred. I recall it being good.

Politics aside (please!) Bush moved to take them off the endangered list and Obama I think plans to put them back.

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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2009, 04:32:49 AM »
 OK DRam I've never had a problem with farmers, ranchers or whatever, I've always had a problem with hunters that kill for sport, my thoughts are if it's not threatening them and or they can't eat it then leave it alone, as well I'm choked about someone chasing a critter through my land with out letting me know about it, the other thing is, not all the people running around with guns in this area have had arms training which makes me twitchy, so if it happens again I will put the word out that I'm feeling threatened and will respond accordingly. As far as the wolf goes if it threatens me or mine it's history, same as the bear that goes through periodically.
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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2009, 09:02:39 PM »
Deamon:  We see eye to eye.   I've never understood the mania for shooting deer with large antlers, or of killing animals for sport.  I agree, if you aren't going to eat it, or it isn't a threat, leave it be.  And your irritation at someone trespassing on your property is valid, as is your concern about untrained shooters.

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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2009, 09:32:24 PM »
67 is your property posted?  Or are you getting a tax break by not posting it? Just curious?
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