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Forget the last Honda CB550..Found another!
« on: October 15, 2005, 04:39:06 PM »
Some of you may remember my last bike thread where I was sorta screwed out of a nice 550 around the corner.

Found another in the paper. $595 in running condition. 'supposedly' runs perfect. He emailed me a acouple pics of the bike. I like the blue paint job alot.
He said hes not sure of the miles, or what the odometer says. (my only concern). Other than that he says it runs and drives great..Cant figure out the catch. Gas tank is perfect, one stitch in seat. Said sometimes the front caliper drags. Bike has only been sitting a couple months.

Ill probaly take atrip to see the bike tomorrow. Any ideas of what to look for? He seems like a decent guy on the phone, but Ill be going alone(unexperienced with bikes..I cant even drive it) so I want to avoid getting screwed.
Im going to have him run it a long time and drive it around for me to see how good it really runs. I dont even care if it runs a little rough, since Im looking for a project. I can just beat him down on the price.

Also, Ill have to figure out how to get it home. Anyone know if you can cram a 1975 Honda 550 in a '98 Cherokee XJ?? lol


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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2005, 04:59:27 PM »
that bike looks in good shape..if you can ride a motorcyle at all RIDE IT! I dont care if you dont have a licence...RIDE IT. that way you can feel if the front end shakes or if it goes down the road half sideways...

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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2005, 06:01:54 PM »
Turn sigs are from a 74 or earlier.
Tank and seat are F model.
Front fender and side cover are K model.  Missing rear stay on front fender.
Idiot light panel from a K model.
I think the frame is K model.
Rear swing arm wrong color, may be from a different bike.
Pod filters, changed exhaust.  Wonder if carbs are jetted correctly?  Stock air box and plenum probably gone.
Minor oil weep at cylinder head interface.
Looks clean.

Do you know how to check for rocker cover wear?  $200 - $400 repair.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2005, 06:34:00 PM »
Actually..he never said it was a CB. Thats my mistake. Maybe that explains some of the mismatching.

Where do you find teh VIN number on these bikes? With the mismatching I better make sure the title is correct.

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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2005, 06:38:42 PM »
Oh, it's a CB alright.  But, there are CB550Ks and CB550Fs.  I think that one began life as a K, though.

The numbers are on the right side the frame's headstock.  Better get (check) the engine numbers, too.  Under the carbs, atop the engine case.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2005, 06:43:34 PM »
Ah, I gotchya. How do you check for rocker wear?

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2005, 07:01:40 PM »
At each end of the rocker cover is a small cover held on with #3 crosspoint screw.  These small covers each contain two metal dowels about 1/2 inch in diameter with an oring groove in them.  These dowels plug the access holes for the valve rocker shafts.
Each rocker shaft has centered hole threaded for removal reasons.

With the end cover removed, the hole in the rocker shaft should appear centered in the access hole where the end cap dowels fit.  If the cover is worn, these holes misalign indicating the rocker shaft is migrating toward the top of the engine.  A new cover or extensive machine work will be needed to correct this problem.  And, depending on severity, the cam and followers may also be damaged.

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2005, 04:44:21 PM »
Well I came to my senses and didnt buy it. It took him about 50 kicks to get it started(battery was low and it was freazing out). Once running it sounded really good. Nice and smooth, quiet.  It wasnt a bad bike, I just think Ill hold off for another month or so. Maybe I can buy something newer. I want a bike to play around with, but for now I might be better off getting something reliable.

Also the bike had 26K miles on it(if gauges were original). Which is a little more than Id like to rely on. Also, the gas tank was scratched up pretty good on the top. So Itd need new paint down the roard.

I probaly passed up a good deal. Just hoping more good deals come along this winter. Im thinking of getting something more around $1-1500 with less miles. I can rely a little more on to drive daily.

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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2005, 07:06:36 PM »
Less miles? 25K is about average, actually its pretty good. Man its all about what state your in i guess. That bike would sell well over $1000 and be gone within two days here in oregon......
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2005, 02:50:52 AM »
Don't follow TwoTired's advice. He wants to get it when you give up....  ;D


I don't know the model particulars but, following TwoTired pointings, there are a lot of wrong thins on that bike, though it looks well at first sight.


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Re: Forget the last Honda CB550..Found another!
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2005, 10:38:28 AM »
You should have bought that bike... :D

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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2005, 12:16:55 PM »
Ill get something better! Bikes will still be cheap here for another few months. Ill scoop up something more reliable and look for a project after I move out on my own.

Whenever Im trying to make a decision I usually post on a couple different message boards to get as many opinions.
Thanks for the help everyone!

I like the CB bikes alot, so I may end up with one and Ill be back!

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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2005, 12:27:07 PM »
You are not going to find anything more reliable than a honda, espically a 70's honda. Let's see how many kicks it takes to start a brit bike that has been sitting in cold weather with a dead battery (I could tell you the answer, it is a triple digit figure).  I have owned daily rider cb750 for 6 years now and it has never missed a beat. Probably has more than 25K on the clock but I wouldn't know the original speedo was missing when I got it.

You totally contradicted yourself, looking for a project but then when you found one that was a little bit of a project you balked citing you wanted somethign newer and more reliable. Plus it looks like you didn't do your research before going there, I have seen 100K mile cbs that ran great, 25k? nothing - you have atleast another 10K-15K of good riding before you start to run into real problems. 

Tell you what...go spend $1500 on a used ninja 250 and ride that, It doesn't sound like you want a vintage bike at all.
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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2005, 12:42:15 PM »
whew geeto,hammer time
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2005, 01:07:28 PM »
Maybe I do, maybe I dont. I like vintage bikes, but now might not be the best time for one considering Im living with my girlfriends parents and barely have a place to keep it. All I decided is that itd be better when I have my own place before buying a project thats going to be in a 100 pieces across someone elses garage.

I JUST started lookign at bikes. I dont know that much, and lookign at a bike I knew nothing about, and the scraggly seller didnt know much either. I felt nervous getting in over my head. I think a newer bike would be good to learn on while I can learn more about how the mechanics function.

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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2005, 03:20:50 PM »
Maybe I do, maybe I dont. I like vintage bikes, but now might not be the best time for one considering Im living with my girlfriends parents and barely have a place to keep it. All I decided is that itd be better when I have my own place before buying a project thats going to be in a 100 pieces across someone elses garage.

I JUST started lookign at bikes. I dont know that much, and looking at a bike I knew nothing about, and the scraggly seller didnt know much either. I felt nervous getting in over my head. I think a newer bike would be good to learn on while I can learn more about how the mechanics function.

Sorry if I seem a little short but I have been dealing with young bike newbies all weekend. Been selling a kz400 project and every first timer missed the part in my ad where it is a project bike and not for the unexpirenced. Something about a low price brings them out of the woodwork.

I dont know where you live (hint: fill in your bio)  but if it is anywhere up north like me, a bike can barely function as "daily transportation". When I lived in New Orleans It was bike season year round and my cb750 was more than adiquate being my only means of transport. In New York I ride as often as I can since my GF and I share a car. Basically that means until first snowfall when I mothball the bike until first thaw (usually december to march is my non riding season). Even then from november to december and march to may it is hard going on a bike as a daily rider (thank god for electric gloves). This makes motorcycling basically a toy for the majority of people and not a good means of transportation - espically with a new rider who will fast learn the ills of "cold tires" and "frozen brakes" (where water spashes up into the caliper on a cold day above freezing and then freezes your brake soild overnight when the temp dips below).

So that being said, it sounds like you are in an area that gets snow (and therefore has a "motorcycle season") and it would be more of a toy. Given your present living situation a motorcycle may not be the best thing for you at this time. You don't need a garage to own a bike, but the money is better spent on your own place than on a bike.

This is not to discourage you from getting on a bike by any means, it is a great hobby full of good people. You made the smart decision in balking at the bike when you felt nervous. Considering you "don't drive" a motorcycle may be a little over your head.

Here are my "rules" (if you could call them that) for newbie motorcycling buying:

1) Research: figure out what kind of bike you want. Narrowing it down will keep you focused. If you know what kind of bike you are going to look at, merely posting on a message board is not enough (although it is a good start). Get out there and read old road tests, enthuasists sites, books on motorcycles (roland brown's book on the history fast motorcycles is a good at a glance for most bikes). By now there is at least one webpage dedicated to every motorcycle ever made, read what they have to say (yes all of it) about your particular bike. If you can go to a few bike shops and ask some of the techs if they have them, have ever worked on them, and haev any advice. make a checklist based on this info. Then you are ready to go look. Never commit to a bike you know nothing about.

2) Always be able to ride the bike: License or not, get you arse on the seat and ride it. If you have never ridden before, get a friend who has to ride it for you. Don't take the seller's word for it riding, ever. It isn't because they might put one over on you but more because someone who is used to the bike may not notice probelms. For example my clutch adjustment was off on my cb750. It had been going over time and I never noticed it, until a firend wanted to borrow the bike for his road test. He stalled the bike 4 times ina block (he is an expirenced rider, just not used to my bike). At that point it became obvious that the clutch needed adjustment, but I never noticed because I was so used to the bike.

3) Find someone who knows about motorcycles and take them with you to look at any bike. As a newbie you aren't going to know how to spot what you are looking for. It is always good to have someone with you who you can trust to answer your questions.

4) Figure out the need the bike fills in your life. If it is a toy and you are giving up eating for a week to have it you may want to rethink the decision. Never put youself out for a motorcycle - it can't feed you (unless you are a pizza delivery boy) and it can't shelter you.

5) Approach this with a plan. So far In my life I have had a cb360 in the back seat of a blazer, a t500 in the capped bed of a pickup, a honda dream in the trunk of a pontiac grand am rental car, a cb750 in an 1986 cherokee, and a cr125 strapped to the roll bar of a wrangler. In all of those scenarios (except the blazer) I have ended up covered in gasoline. The lesson learned is to make sure you have a plan for getting rhe bike home and cared for once you get it. This means budget for a possible trailer rental (or at least lunch for a buddy with a pickup) and a cover. Also budget for a manual, and some tools. 

6) Buy the most complete running motorcycle you can afford. Project bikes fior a newbie are the equalivent of pissing money into the wind. Get something you know you can at least ride the next day. Needing minor tune up stuff is ok (battery, plugs, etc) but any weird engine noises means stay away. Any bike will break often enough in your life that you will need to fix it (even a brand new japanese bike), you'll get your expirence. Cosmetics don't really matter so long as the bike is mechanically sound.

7) Size up your seller. If he looks like the kind of guy who was doing donuts in the parking lot an hour before you may want to pass. Get the seller talking about adventures on the bike and telling stories...that will give you an idea about what kind of life the bike led in their care. 

There is more but I am tired of writing. Good luck, Kid. Remember don't be afraid to ask questions, and always listen. Jumping to assumptions is usually a bad idea when you are new to the subject.
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2005, 12:04:57 AM »
Well alright Geeto!!! Nice ass jumpin' on the kid and extra nice advice on buyin a first bike!!!That is something that alot of of the new kids on the block should read. There is a hell of alot more to the picture than just buying the bike cause it looks good. If you don't know doo-doo from diesel,an older bike isn't a good thing to not know how to work on.If you don't have a place to put it let alone tear into it,its better to wait(BUT...don't give up the idea). Later....Mrbreeze
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2005, 06:34:42 AM »
i dont mean to discourage buying a honda,but for a first bike,if you can find one that fits your budget,buy an old harley like a sportster or a superglide.they are easy to work on and parts are plentiful.the majpr issues with any jap bike be it honda or anyone else,are the multiple carbs and the cam chains.i seem to read more problem issues on here with those than anything else.i am an experienced mechanic on cars and harleys,but i got to tell ya when i bought my 750 them damn carbs about drove me to drinking.luckily a friend of mine knows how to work on them things and got me on the road.these are my thoughts and im sure someone will hammer me on them but hey thats life.good luck
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2005, 08:27:49 AM »
i dont mean to discourage buying a honda,but for a first bike,if you can find one that fits your budget,buy an old harley like a sportster or a superglide.they are easy to work on and parts are plentiful.the majpr issues with any jap bike be it honda or anyone else,are the multiple carbs and the cam chains.i seem to read more problem issues on here with those than anything else.i am an experienced mechanic on cars and harleys,but i got to tell ya when i bought my 750 them damn carbs about drove me to drinking.luckily a friend of mine knows how to work on them things and got me on the road.these are my thoughts and im sure someone will hammer me on them but hey thats life.good luck

That is funny, it worked the opposite for me. I started working on hondas and kawasakis, got used to all the little things then I got into working on british and harleys and they about drove me to drink. From my personal expirence, you have to work on japanese bikes a LOT less than a brit bike or a harley, about 1/8 of the time you spend working on a brit bike, but the things you have to do on them tend to be bigger jobs. With my norton I worked on it everyday but it was usually something small and stupid like a new short or oil leak, with my honda any oil leak is usually something like a base gasket and a short can often times end up being a stator.  With my honda, outside of plugs, oil, carb synch, and filters and the occasioal fuse I haven't had to do anything to it. I haven't had to do anything major to a SOHC in probably about three years of hard riding, but my norton I had the top end down twice within the first three months. I sold it because I was spoiled by japanese reliability and a bike that required 20 minutes of care for every hour spent riding was not good for me.

I jumped on the kid because In New York a cb550 would go for three times the money that bike was (at least, I have even seen $3K+ cb550s) and if he had approached it with more research and effort spent he may have gotten one heck of a deal if he was ready to pull the trigger. If you are a newbie and you need someone to go with you to see the bike, go down to your local bike shop and offer one of the mechanics some money to come with you either after work or on their lunch break. Just be prepared to make a deal or lose the bike because if you pass on it he might come back and buy it out from under you. Buying a bike isn't like buying a used car, a used car breaks down...it costs money, a bike brakes down you could get hurt.

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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2005, 08:52:30 AM »
geeto,did you get my pm last nite
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2005, 08:53:18 AM »
also,im just saying the harley has 1 carb and no cam chain to worry about.also,i find them easier to work on.
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2005, 08:57:14 AM »
geeto,did you get my pm last nite

I did but I didn't get home until late because my friend's car poped it's radiator on the highway and I had to go pick him up. I will measure tonight.
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2005, 08:57:46 AM »
cool,thanks
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2005, 11:16:58 AM »
Im still here! Thanks for the advice. I know what direction Im heading in..I just confused everyone pretty good when I didint pull teh trigger on this one. I feel like everything Ive bought lately has been a huge rush, and then I regret it. Not knowing much I was thinking Id buy the thing and post here and be told it was a cobbled together piece of crap that needed and entire rebuild.
It was nice to actually say no to a deal. Theres usually people breathing all over me to buy stuff and if I do it, I always regret it.
I should(pray) have a decent job within the next couple weeks. Then Ill be out on my own and can have as many bike projects as I want. Also another Fox Body Mustang and 80s Monte Carlo.
I was at a motorsport shop today applying for a finance job. Some of those new bikes are tempting me too!!  :P

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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2005, 11:27:56 AM »
good luck on the job.
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