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Offline drumgod

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Some 087A carb cleaning and setting Qs (1976 CB550K)
« on: July 22, 2009, 08:50:05 PM »
Please forgive any goofy questions I may come up with.  I'm definitely a noob to this stuff and am trying to avoid stupid mistakes...

I'm working on a 1976 CB550K.  I have the carbs off and they are NAAAAAASTY.  They are stamped "087A".  None of the carb info links around here have any listings for the 087A carbs.  A quick search for "087A" reveals two threads discussing them.

I *think* the info listed below under "CB550 / CARBURETION: CB-550, K1, 76" is the correct setup info.  I'd just like to verify that.



Is there anything weird/strange/different that I should know about these carbs?

Part two, section 11 of the CB550 manual hosted here at sohc4.net seems to show disassembly of the same or similar carbs.  Are these instructions applicable?

How far do I need to (or should I) tear them down for cleaning?

Do I need to separate each of the carbs from the rack?

Are there any screws/settings I should avoid disrupting?

If I order carb rebuild kits for a '76 CB550K am I going to get the right parts?

What am I missing?

Sorry again if any of these questions are obvious or have been covered ad nausium.  I'm just not comfortable jumping in with both feet until I've looked to see what's in the pool.

Thanks for any input you guys have.  Here are a few pics or the carbs:
If I forgot to state it in my post, I'm probably talking about a 1976 CB550K...

Offline drumgod

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Re: Some 087A carb cleaning and setting Qs (1976 CB550K)
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2009, 09:00:22 AM »
Bump.

Anyone?  Hmm.  If I don't hear any differently I suppose I will tear them down this weekend per the manual I mentioned and hope for the best...  Still not sure about orders seals and what-not.
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Re: Some 087A carb cleaning and setting Qs (1976 CB550K)
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2009, 12:16:40 PM »
They are stamped "087A". 
I *think* the info listed below under "CB550 / CARBURETION: CB-550, K1, 76" is the correct setup info.  I'd just like to verify that?
Is there anything weird/strange/different that I should know about these carbs?
I have both 022A and 087A carbs.  I've yet to find any difference between them.  The different set up number says there is something different, but I can't find it.  I suppose it is possible that the set I acquired already had its internals tampered with, making it different from the way it was delivered from Honda.  Take notes of settings and internal part numbers when you take yours apart, ok?

Anyway, I don't see why the Honda specs you posted wouldn't be applicable unless you are changing air filter or exhaust parameters as well.

Part two, section 11 of the CB550 manual hosted here at sohc4.net seems to show disassembly of the same or similar carbs.  Are these instructions applicable?
Yes.

How far do I need to (or should I) tear them down for cleaning?
Do I need to separate each of the carbs from the rack?
For function, you just need to remove any fuel deposits inside the carbs.  You can see most of it right there in the fuel bowls.  The internal passageways are any more accessible when the carbs are separated.  You still need the withdraw the mains emulsion tubes for cleaning, and clean then "prove" the pilot/slow/idle passages.  If you wish to polish the carb body externally, you will need to separate the carbs.

Are there any screws/settings I should avoid disrupting?
To what end?
I think taking out the choke plates is a waste of time, plus those screws are staked.  Re-staking them risks bending the choke shaft.  Further there is a spring and ball bearing behind the choke lever that is adept at finding the most inaccessible area of your shop/work area.

You'll probably have to press out the mains emulsion tube from where the slide sits, which means removing the slides, and for some much cursing/whining.  The emulsion tube end you press on is also the needle jet orifice, do care has to be taken not to distort it via draconian means.
Removing the slides means you will have to vacuum sync the carbs afterwards. 

Do yourself a favor and ignore the drill bit bench sync method.  Instead use a light in the carb bore, close the idle screw until you get a slide to touch the bore base, then adjust the other three to just shut light off of each carb in turn.  That's my bench sync.  And you still have to vacuum sync the carbs after the bike is running with either method.

If I order carb rebuild kits for a '76 CB550K am I going to get the right parts?

Depends on the source.  From honda - yes. 
From after-market, you rely on the company integrity and their commitment and investment into quality control and satisfied customers rather than max profit in their pocket.  There have been threads where the proper engine operation has been restored by switching internal components BACK to stock Honda after using after-market.  Others haven't noticed any run issues with after-market carb parts.
Unless you have corrosion issues inside the carbs, all internal metal can be reused after proper cleaning.  It's just the rubber bits that need replacing.  And Honda sells a kit that does just that.

Happy wrenching!
« Last Edit: July 24, 2009, 05:16:00 PM by TwoTired »
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Offline mikethejeepguy

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Re: Some 087A carb cleaning and setting Qs (1976 CB550K)
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2009, 01:19:42 PM »
Hey drumgod,

Listen to TT... he's the resident "da man" for most things SOHC. +1 on replacing gaskets rather than getting full rebuild kits. The metal bits rarely wear out. You can get a Honda gasket kit that costs in the US around $13 per carb. I think the part number is 16010-323-315. The metal bits just need to be cleaned and polished for the most part.

For taking the emulsion tubes out, I found that cheap wooden chopsticks were the right diameter to fit through the top of the carb and carefully tap them out (from the top). There also was a good article about rebuilding those carbs in Motorcycle Classics magazine a few months back. This one:

http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/restoration/technical/Project-Cafe-1973-Honda-CB500-part-3.aspx

Here is a gallery step by step from that article:
http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/multimedia/image-gallery.aspx?id=11882&seq=1

Just keep hitting next... I only checked the first 5 pages so I hope it goes through the whole thing. :)

Goood luck!

M
'76 Honda CB550F, Dana-S'd, Uni filtered, HID'd, LED'd, and mildly cafe'd with many plans still.

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Re: Some 087A carb cleaning and setting Qs (1976 CB550K)
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2009, 03:29:38 PM »
Awesome!  Many thanks guys.  Thats exactly what I needed to know.  I'm off to the garage to start cleaning.  Now I need to decide if I'm going to go with a "keep them together, functional cleaning" or a "take them apart, make 'em look great cleaning".

BTW mikethejeepguy, Here's me and mine:

If I forgot to state it in my post, I'm probably talking about a 1976 CB550K...