Topic: craftsmanship

[754]

Seaweb, you got to supply the tools.

 Rat, you are going to explore the islands & stay at a buddies.. (hope you got a passport) No tools.

 If you mention the W werd at the Border, you will go down in flames..
 Soundz like you could make this happen, would be fun  for all..

[333]

I realize that I'm a bit late in the conversation, but....

There is a good use for particle board?

[Inigo Montoya]

Particle board is good for sound cabinets. the density reduces sound vibration. Most larger speakers will use it.

[bucky katt]

that is a hell of a design for a deck derek, wish i was anything but dangerous with woodworking tools. 

[The_Crippler]

You can build an awesome pc for 500 that last 10 years yet some brand name might die in a year and cost more.

Well..that obviously depends on what you use it for.  My wife's machine, I built out of spare parts a while ago and run a low-impact Linux OS on it - for internet and email, it works for her.  My server?  If I stopped tinkering with it, sure...but my gaming rig is 3 years old and I'm ready to rebuild.  Might string it out another year, but it's about out-classed these days.  5 years is generally the corporate average for a lot of businesses.

Woodworking:  I do that kind of stuff myself, and the only way I ever made any money at it was as a stage carpenter.  The flip side was being nomadic and not putting down roots.  These days, I make stuff for me, and that's about it.

[Inigo Montoya]

Well..that obviously depends on what you use it for.  My wife's machine, I built out of spare parts a while ago and run a low-impact Linux OS on it - for internet and email, it works for her.  My server?  If I stopped tinkering with it, sure...but my gaming rig is 3 years old and I'm ready to rebuild.  Might string it out another year, but it's about out-classed these days.  5 years is generally the corporate average for a lot of businesses.

Has either machine died? No? I think you are taking this the wrong direction. Besides, your gaming rig is outclassed? I guess that depends on your idea and what you think you need. Will it still play most games? Just cause something cant do it at max resolution does not mean it failed. What you posted has NOTHING to do with quality. They built quality cars in the 50s, they still can do the job, they are just obsolete.

[The_Crippler]

Has either machine died? No? I think you are taking this the wrong direction. Besides, your gaming rig is outclassed? I guess that depends on your idea and what you think you need. Will it still play most games? Just cause something cant do it at max resolution does not mean it failed. What you posted has NOTHING to do with quality. They built quality cars in the 50s, they still can do the job, they are just obsolete.

...and your post ignored the parts you didn't want to see.  I listed two machines that still work for what they do just fine (the second one qualified with, "if I could stop tinkering with it" - which I admit is all me)  Hell, one of them I said that i even built out of spare parts showing that they were quality and I've been able to stretch their use.


As for the gaming rig - of newer parts - yes, parts of it are starting to fail, as does happen with heavy-use performance PC parts these days.  Hard drive is getting bad sectors and isn't read/writing as fast (the clicking begins), GFX card  is running a lot hotter than it used to, and there are a few parts that I've replaced.  Performance companies know that you're going to upgrade in 5 years or less, so parts are designed with planned obsolecence...so, yes, I'd say that fits exactly in to this conversation.

[Inigo Montoya]

Ahh so now the whole story comes out. You never said anything about FAILING components in your first post. Maybe you should have added that right away don't you think? After all, I can't see your rig now can I. But 3 years is still short so you got bad components. I used rig for hard gaming for 6 years and had no failures. But if you read what I posted before, electronics are in their OWN category.
I also do not see your thoughts on planned obsolescence. there are a lot of people who video edit and game and have their drives last 10 years. I still have a machine with a 7 year old PS. Many companies I have seen still use 8 year old desktops. I never said electronics do not fail, they most certainly do and they are usually the most aggravating of failures. Hard to pull music off a dead mp3 player. Sucks when that flash drive full of pics no longer detects.
My opinion was that cost rarely has anything to do with how long electronics last. A cheapo tv can go 20 years but that lcd might make it 5.

So remember, post ALL your relevant thoughts. Dont leave out parts like this...

As for the gaming rig - of newer parts - yes, parts of it are starting to fail, as does happen with heavy-use performance PC parts these days.  Hard drive is getting bad sectors and isn't read/writing as fast (the clicking begins), GFX card  is running a lot hotter than it used to, and there are a few parts that I've replaced.

Makes for less misunderstandings.

[tramp]

still got my desktop from 10yrs ago
new video card and more memory
she still works

[Inigo Montoya]

THAT is what I am talking about. Electronics just seem to have no real cost to life span ratio. Jeez at least a person can count on their car dying around 10 years!

And no I am not picking on you crippler, sorry if it seems like it.

[333]

My current desktop is one I found that someone threw away.  It has no name on the case that tells me someone built it from scratch.  It is a Intel motherboard P4 3ghz w/ hyperthreading.  The hard disk was missing (smart for whoever had it) and the power supply was bad.  All the plugs were pulled loose inside.  I had a hard disk.  I downloaded a manual for the motherboard, plugged it all up, including my hard disk.  Runs great, even with only a half a gig of ram.  I added a second CD drive(in stock) and bought the cables to add a second hard disk(also in stock), and dropped $20.00 on a DVD burner w/ Lightscribe.

[Rocking-M]

I made furniture for years. Folks do not want to pay for quality.
Here is one of the last pieces I made for the publick.
I may have posted this on here before, if so excuse me.
Oh yea, no biscuit joiners, just full hand cut dovetail drawers,
hand carved, mortised and tenoned, etc... (real old school).



another of one of my last pieces for the publick consumption.

[754]

Very nice work, Rocking M

[Inigo Montoya]

I would pay for something like that. I dont think most people would but there are always going to people who will. It is just a matter of finding them which I will admit is not exactly easy.

[Rocking-M]

thanks 754 and brew. Brew you hit the major problem any craftsman confronts, finding the market.

[tramp]

very nice job rocking
much better than what i do
one customer wanted me to something out of oak
i told him what it would cost just in wood
he walked away