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any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« on: January 03, 2010, 04:28:15 PM »
looking for a coil set up to exchange the stock coils.. i saw the accel set up.. looks cool but lookiing for something more to expose in view.. what voltage ohm should i use..any suggestions.. thanks
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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2010, 05:04:05 PM »
the ohms will be dictated by the ignition system. If its points you need to stay near stock OHMS. also I would go to the main page and do a search. I think that there is a lot of info here about the igniton systems as well as the different coils.

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2010, 05:11:45 PM »
The stockers on a 750 are 12V, 5 ohm.

Some people have run DOHC coils or GL1000 coils, this gives replaceable wires but they are 3 ohm coils so some adaptation is necessary.

Run a search ( http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?action=search ) to see what other aftermarket coils may exist.

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2010, 06:58:34 PM »
CB750 should be able to handle the Dyna 3 Ohm coils, too.  Then you can get the Dyna custom wires and cut 'em to the right lengths, and crimp on the ends.

looking for a coil set up to exchange the stock coils.. i saw the accel set up.. looks cool but lookiing for something more to expose in view.. what voltage ohm should i use..any suggestions.. thanks
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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2010, 09:14:22 AM »
I run a full dyna ignition on mine..using dyna green 3 ohm coils..they are wired directly from the battery thru the kill switch.  if you dont do this they will play hell with the chraging system at low rpm.  the battery is a voltage dump.......wire them from here and the charging system will never know.
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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2010, 02:58:40 PM »
I have a 75  750 F with stock coils replaced by Dyna Tec 5 ohms wire directly from the battary and it throws lightning bolts. And I have a 77 750 F with a full Dyna S set up at 3 ohms also directly wired from battary and it works great. Either way I'm happy. Remeber that a Dyna system needs 3 ohms to run, anda stock is 5 and you shouldnt have problems.

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2010, 03:51:34 PM »
I run early 80's CB900 coils on my bike. I got a set of solid copper core 7mm Dyna wires and I'm off to the races. It runs so much better than before although one of the wires was going so I was sporadically running on 3 cylinders, so I can't really compare. The only problem I had was adapting the mounting but this was just minor.

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2010, 04:03:46 PM »
I thought the GL1000 coils where 5 ohm run with points, the GL1100 are 3 ohm with electronic ignition.

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2010, 04:41:08 PM »
I'm sure you're right.  Now that I think of it I remember hearing that the GL1000 coils were a direct swap.

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2010, 07:04:18 PM »
looking for a coil set up to exchange the stock coils.. i saw the accel set up.. looks cool but lookiing for something more to expose in view.. what voltage ohm should i use..any suggestions.. thanks

Everyone's given pretty good advice on this but I thought I'd chime in on this with something a little different. Cycle X  change is making a power arc ignitions w/ coils...This is a good example of new tech and old, I'd check this out if you haven't already.
http://www.cyclexchange.net/HighPer%20Ignition%20Page.htm

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2010, 10:04:28 AM »
I run a full dyna ignition on mine..using dyna green 3 ohm coils..they are wired directly from the battery thru the kill switch.  if you dont do this they will play hell with the chraging system at low rpm.  the battery is a voltage dump.......wire them from here and the charging system will never know.

Can you elaborate on how to wire this up- I get what you are saying- just not sure how to implement it.

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2010, 09:19:55 AM »
When i was replacing my ignition i was looking to do the same thing by only replacing the coils.  The best aftermarket replacement i found was the Dyna 5 ohms (DC8-1)  I believe these were the black coils.  I'm not sure that Dyna still stocks them but you can still find them around the internet.  Also, you'll need/want to get the new ignition leads.

Though i ended up saying to hell with the stock points when i found myself with a little extra cash and sprang for the Dyna 2000 with 3 ohms.

Hope this helps.
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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2010, 02:27:26 PM »
To clarify and see if I've got this correct, by "directly from the battery thru the kill switch", are you saying you bypass the combination switch so that you have a dedicated circuit for the coils? In other words, re-route the black wire that feeds the ignition kill switch directly (with fuse) to the battery. (My turn signals act funny at idle but work fine when the bike is not running or is running above about 2K rpm) Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2010, 06:21:18 PM »
Try this, wire from + terminal of battery to fuse (5 amp should be more than adequate) to small toggle switch (I think a Pollak short metal arm SPST, $3.00ish), then to coil hot lead. Bypassing all factory switches would work fine. maybe make a little bracket to put the switch by the ignition key...

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2010, 09:33:31 PM »
Wiring the coils thru' a relay is a band-aid fix..IMO. All our old bikes need a full tune-up of the wiring and it's best done when you first get the bike... 1 or 2 hours separating each contact, cleaning and plugging back together is necessary if you want reliability in the 30 something wiring..... any 'mods' are no better than clean, tight connections in the stock loom..........
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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2010, 11:59:43 PM »
Wiring the coils thru' a relay is a band-aid fix..IMO.

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This is similar to running out of gas and pushing the bike instead of putting gas in the tank (or switching to reserve).  Or, getting a flat tire, and instead of replacing the tire, adding another one right next to the bad one so it will roll again.
Hey, if the gas tank leaks, does one mount another one on top of it?

Even beavers know to repair a leaky damn rather than build another whole one next to the one that is leaking.  Pretty smart rodents, right?

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2010, 10:14:06 AM »
But if the dyna coils draw more then the stock coils is it possible that they could upset the charging system at low rpm? And if that is true then I would think taking them off the main circuit and running them directly off the battery would help. I totally agree on establishing a good baseline before making any changes- my bike has a brand new wiring loom and I replaced most of the old connectors- though I have not checked the regulator to see if it is working properly. I'll do that and then give it a try both ways and see if it makes a difference.

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2010, 10:58:21 AM »
Im running CBX1000 coils on my 78K with a dyna ignition,wiring is simple,used the stock mounting position,modified the ally mount,one evening in the shop

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2010, 11:55:10 AM »
A bigger load presented by the 3ohm Dyna coils would only affect the battery draining faster and the charging system will not be affected ( except to cycle on and off more frequently due to faster battery drain ).
No matter how you wire the coils their load is only presented to the battery, not to the alternator. If you 'plod' around at low rpm's the alt. will be under it's charging threshold and the bike will be running on the battery only..same as with 5ohm coils..!!
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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2010, 01:22:50 PM »
But if the dyna coils draw more then the stock coils is it possible that they could upset the charging system at low rpm? And if that is true then I would think taking them off the main circuit and running them directly off the battery would help. I totally agree on establishing a good baseline before making any changes- my bike has a brand new wiring loom and I replaced most of the old connectors- though I have not checked the regulator to see if it is working properly. I'll do that and then give it a try both ways and see if it makes a difference.

Power doesn't get any extra manufacture by changing the wire connections.  The Alternator is power limited to about 210 watts at 5000 rpm and about 1/4 to 1/3 that when the alternator is at idle RPM.  It makes no power when it is not spinning.
The alternator is the ONLY source of electrical power for the bike.  The battery simply stores the power.  If the bike pulls more power overall, the battery supplies it (depleting), whenever the alternator can't keep up.

However, the alternator takes power from the battery to make itself put out power.  This voltage output is tapped off the key switch black wire distribution.  If your black wire supply line from the battery loses battery voltage in transit, then yes, it makes the alt produce less power (even while telling it to make more).  However, so will turning on the headlight or other electrical devices using the Black wire supply distribution as its power source.  Bypassing coil power around this source won't fix the problem (voltage loss on Black wire distribution), it sidesteps it (like a band aid doesn't fix a wound, only hides it from sight).  The original problem (Black wire distribution voltage loss) will get progressively worse (deteriorated connectors, fuse contacts, switch contacts, etc.), and your charging system will again make less power, the lights will be dimmer, and the battery will charge at lower average levels, until one of the failing connections gets bad enough to go poof (5 PM, in the rain, on a busy street, or anywhere that will make you the most miserable).

Anyway, the Black wire voltage loss wasn't a problem when the bike was new.  If it loses voltage now, it points directly to a failure mechanism.  A coil bypass relay simply ignores the failed components, leaving them to fester into larger ones later on.
If your gas tank rusts through, do you fix (or replace) it, or add another one to the bike that doesn't leak, on top of the failed one?

The regulator tries to limit (regulate) battery voltage, keeping it charged, when alternator power is available to do so.  When the power isn't available, the regulator tells the alternator to run flat out.  Putzing about with the "regulator" doesn't make power availability higher.  Its function is to limit the power output of the alternator when the bike's battery is full (14.5V) and make the alternator back off (when spinning 5000 RPM). Pretty much anything below 2000RPM and the alternator should be "all it can be", particularly if you have increased electrical loads on the bike.  The "Vreg" adjustment isn't a power control, it is a voltage trip point adjust to monitor battery state and protect it from overcharge conditions.

Relays just add unnecessary complexity.  It is also likely undocumented.  So, in 5 years, someone will look at the mod (maybe even you) and look at the Honda wire diagram, and say WTF is this kludge?

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2010, 03:02:13 PM »
agreed, old corroded connections and crusty components are a disaster waiting to happen. However, that doesn't mean the stock configuration is necessarialy the best configuration. As long as we are replacing the old, dried, cracked, and corroded wiring; why not eleminate a few of the (opinions do differ) eyesore switches and unnecessary wiring? And it is good shop practice to DOCUMENT your changes. Keep a wiring diagram, don't just use all red wire; use a variety of colors. Do the math and use the appropriate guages. Get creative with permanant markers and paint pens. Red can become red w/ blk tracer, or red w/ wht tracer, etc. The factory harness is a nightmare and the factory switches and controls are chunky (IMHO) so why not do something about it?

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2010, 09:35:41 PM »
The bike had an electronic flasher relay- just for giggles I swapped it out with a $3 generic flasher and the turn signals work great now- whether the engine is running or not and regardless of engine RPM. The wiring harness is essentially stock, i.e. matches the wiring diagram in the book. And I am running the Dyna green coils and electronic ignition- which produces quite a spark I might add.
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« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2010, 10:45:43 PM »
I run Accel Super coils on both of my 750's, with Dyna "S" triggers. The price has gone up over the years, but still not too bad for the full kit with wires. You can use your stock Honda coil mounts too, you just need to rotate one of the two coils so the terminals for the trigger/power wires face rear. If you don't, then you will run into interference problems. They come in 3 ohm and .7ohm (not a typo, .7 ohm). I have mine hooked up like stock, not from the battery, and have had no trouble with them.

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Re: any one know an coil upgrade for the cb750
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2010, 12:03:58 PM »
Wiring the coils thru' a relay is a band-aid fix..IMO. All our old bikes need a full tune-up of the wiring and it's best done when you first get the bike... 1 or 2 hours separating each contact, cleaning and plugging back together is necessary if you want reliability in the 30 something wiring..... any 'mods' are no better than clean, tight connections in the stock loom..........

I was gonna say........does the stock system run poorly?  I doubt it.
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2010, 02:26:09 PM »
Run 5 ohm Dyna coils if you get them, otherwise you'll fry your killswitch if you are using it.

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