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Offline socalenduro

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electrical help!
« on: February 17, 2010, 06:19:20 PM »
my 72 350f decided to stop yesterday.

the ignition was moved to the bars by PO and about 3 weeks ago the bike died after a sharp turn on the bars to park.. i pulled the tank and fiddled with the connections at the 4 wire plastic plug. it fired up and I had no issues until last week.

Now this weekend on a ride it just died then came back, then died then came back, then died good. i pulled the tank fiddled for a bit and it came back....
rode for a bit the died. if i wiggled the wires that comes down from the ignition it came back as i rode over and over.
now its dead. if i really mess around with it things come back for a few seconds then dead again. more dead than not.

When I say its on.... the oil light, turn signals, headlight and neutral light all work correct. when it doesn't NOTHING works
before the tail light never really worked right, just brake

i pulled the ignition off and best as i can tell it all works (tested with a meter) ignition has 4 wires. black, brown, red, and brown/white
1 click  makes the red wire live. 2 clicks makes the brown/white wire live.
im assuming black is ground, so i was connecting the brown wire as the constant in the test, black meter wire on brown, moving read meter wire to find closed circuit

on the bike brown to brown black to black and brown/white to red the tail light comes on and off with the switch but nothing else

I don't have the right manual so i have NO idea what the four wires in the bikes harness are supposed to be.

please help me!
« Last Edit: February 17, 2010, 06:54:23 PM by socalenduro »

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Re: electrical help!
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 07:56:29 AM »
From HONDAMAN......

This sounds a lot like a bad keyswitch. The contacts inside can get worn and the little springs loose from years of heating and corrosion: they were not especially expensive materials inside. Oftentimes, the contacts in the plug also get corroded and loose enough that they can back out of the connectors and/or provide poor connection, which then heat up after it is run for a while: the expansion can then just barely break open the circuit. Wiggling the connector then makes it contact again after it has cooled off a bit, and the cycle repeats.

...it's an age thing...

The wiring codes: the RED comes from the battery, normally via the main fuse.
The BLACK connects to RED when the key is in the middle position. BLACK is IGNITION power all over the bike, for the coils and headlight, and turn signals.
The BROWN/WHITE wire connects to the BROWN wire when the key is in the middle position and connects to the RED wire in the PARK (up) position. This is the power to the tailight circuit. The BROWN comes from the headlight switch, which gets it power from BLACK when the key is in the middle position and the headlight is ON.

You can try manually jumpering the RED to the BLACK and the BROWN to BROWN/WHITE and take a test ride to see if it settles down: if so, just get a new switch. If you can't find one with the right connector, get one from a 750/500/550 and then go to www.vintageconnections.com to get new connectors for about $10, total.

Also, don't overlook the little bullet connectors inside the headlight: they get corroded and need to be cleaned once or twice a decade. A few bikes also break the wires inside their jackets at the steering head: I've seen that a few times. This one is easy to figure out: turn the bars to one side and wiggle the wires at the head to see if the power comes and goes, track it down from there.
 

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Re: electrical help!
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2010, 08:06:04 AM »
The Honda color code for these bikes is
RED - unswitched 12v
BLACK - switched 12v
GREEN - ground
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Re: electrical help!
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2010, 11:08:34 AM »
You can also download the entire manual for your bike from the top post in SOHC/4 Bikes.
Thanks to Enyodeller. :)
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Re: electrical help!
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2010, 01:36:49 PM »
thanks guys....
looks like i had two problems....
one the keyswitch is bad.... as i turn the key thru the 3 strokes the only thing that ever connects is brown and red. I could rig it so it would work, but ill just buy a new one

2nd im guessing the brown comming back from the rats nest in the headlight needs cleaning

hopefully ill get it all sorted this weekend....if i can get parts locally

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Re: electrical help!
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2010, 05:51:20 PM »
well 25 bucks for a new keyswitch....even had the square 4 plug female connector.
problem solved.
and the tail light works correctly now too....

im glad the unit died completely.
I would have chase my tail for weeks trying to figure out where the wire was losing connection trying to fix my intermittent tail light.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2010, 10:19:58 PM by socalenduro »

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Re: electrical help!
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2010, 06:40:12 PM »
Well done that man-----> next problem please. ;D
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Re: electrical help!
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2010, 07:23:18 PM »
In my opinion it is not a bad idea to replace all the electrical components on these bikes, including all the connectors and any wires that don't look perfect. We take for granted that this stuff will work as-is -- and often we are right -- but these are 30-to-40 year old electronic bits that have almost certainly seen a lot of weather. It's several hundred dollars and a few evenings and weekends, but the peace of mind is invaluable, as far as I am concerned. I've gone the route of breaking down, replacing an electrical component, breaking down a few months later and replacing another electrical component, breaking down a few months later, etc.

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Re: electrical help!
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2010, 10:21:21 PM »
i totally agree, however a lack of a garage or any real work space pretty much limits me to projects that can be completed within a few hours.
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