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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2010, 09:58:14 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2010, 06:36:17 PM »
These guys where a breath of fresh air in 1977 and the first nail in disco's coffin.  R.I.P Malcolm.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2010, 06:47:38 PM »
Yeah, they weren't bad.

I guess I'm more of a New York Dolls/ Clash fan.
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2010, 02:14:16 AM »
Ah the Sex Pistols  8) they caught my attention as a 14 year old in 1977, still have my first Punk single i bought by the Clash White Riot  8), RIP Malcolm, cheers Mick.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2010, 10:20:59 AM »
It has been awhile since I revisited the music from that time.  I was really into the punk scene then.  Saw the Clash in 79 and most of the others too, the Dolls, Patti Smith, etc.  We had a good local scene going on too with a band called the Suicide Commandos that I remember seeing in 75 or 76 so they were really out at the forefront.  I remember how shocking and bewildering it was to many when this wave first hit.  Listening to it now you realize it was damn good music with a political edge.  IMO much better than the stuff that passes for punk now.

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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2010, 05:47:08 PM »
It has been awhile since I revisited the music from that time.  I was really into the punk scene then.  Saw the Clash in 79 and most of the others too, the Dolls, Patti Smith, etc.  We had a good local scene going on too with a band called the Suicide Commandos that I remember seeing in 75 or 76 so they were really out at the forefront.  I remember how shocking and bewildering it was to many when this wave first hit.  Listening to it now you realize it was damn good music with a political edge.  IMO much better than the stuff that passes for punk now.

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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2010, 06:21:29 PM »
It has been awhile since I revisited the music from that time.  I was really into the punk scene then.  Saw the Clash in 79 and most of the others too, the Dolls, Patti Smith, etc.  We had a good local scene going on too with a band called the Suicide Commandos that I remember seeing in 75 or 76 so they were really out at the forefront.  I remember how shocking and bewildering it was to many when this wave first hit.  Listening to it now you realize it was damn good music with a political edge.  IMO much better than the stuff that passes for punk now.

There is no such thing as punk now. It's all crap.

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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2010, 09:33:03 PM »
There is no such thing as punk now. It's all crap.

No, but there is something else new now... most of the kids don't like it, and us old folks haven't heard of it and wouldn't recognize it if we did.



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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2010, 09:37:09 PM »
It has been awhile since I revisited the music from that time.  I was really into the punk scene then.  Saw the Clash in 79 and most of the others too, the Dolls, Patti Smith, etc.  We had a good local scene going on too with a band called the Suicide Commandos that I remember seeing in 75 or 76 so they were really out at the forefront.  I remember how shocking and bewildering it was to many when this wave first hit.  Listening to it now you realize it was damn good music with a political edge.  IMO much better than the stuff that passes for punk now.

There is no such thing as punk now. It's all crap.
umm,its not called crap,its called rap,,and it is crap.

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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2010, 09:47:37 PM »


  Don't know anything about that stuff, I quit listening to much of anything made after the mid 60's and listened only to some after that and stopped about the late 60's, with only an occasional after that. So, I can't offer an opinion on that stuff. I'm one of those OLDER folks who don't know what it IS OR what it WAS. ::) ;)
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2010, 09:49:32 PM »
years ago i worked at a cabinet factory called B and T cabinets as a driver/delivery,,we had a huge pantry to deliver and install to a new house so the boss sent a total of 5 guys to help lift this thing onsite,it was a narrow pathway and was difficult,the builder also had a couple of guys to help,,as we all were struggling with it down this awkward access area the builder says why dont a couple of B and T boys go around the outside and grab hold of it from there,,so us B and T boys started singing ,,B and T boys go round the outside,round the outside,round the outside!!!hearing of  mc larens death made me remember that.,,the builder mustave thought we were freaks!!

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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2010, 10:38:54 PM »
after seeing that ol Malcolm has gone on to the great gig in the sky, i set the amplifier for maximum overdrive and went through my repetoire of Sex Pistols and New York Dolls tunes.
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2010, 11:49:19 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2010, 12:07:10 AM »
these guys were always entertaining to say the least. ;D

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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2010, 12:24:28 AM »
Another favorite from the 70's

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yeah patti smith,,the distillers was an earlier combo i think,,devo,,gut feeling,,and smith ,ask the angels.

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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2010, 07:38:25 AM »
 Don't know anything about that stuff, I quit listening to much of anything made after the mid 60's and listened only to some after that and stopped about the late 60's, with only an occasional after that. So, I can't offer an opinion on that stuff. I'm one of those OLDER folks who don't know what it IS OR what it WAS. ::) ;)
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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2010, 08:16:09 AM »
It has been awhile since I revisited the music from that time.  I was really into the punk scene then.  Saw the Clash in 79 and most of the others too, the Dolls, Patti Smith, etc.  We had a good local scene going on too with a band called the Suicide Commandos that I remember seeing in 75 or 76 so they were really out at the forefront.  I remember how shocking and bewildering it was to many when this wave first hit.  Listening to it now you realize it was damn good music with a political edge.  IMO much better than the stuff that passes for punk now.

There is no such thing as punk now. It's all crap.
umm,its not called crap,its called rap,,and it is crap.

There is such a thing as intelligent rap, though it's called hip-hop and most of it comes from groups that don't have a record contract. Otherwise I totally agree rap sucks.

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« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2010, 05:01:41 PM »
My brother's band Warcry in 2009:

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« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2010, 06:18:43 PM »
i filmed this while on tour in Japan.. can't remember what year, but it was this decade.


sex pistols were considered poseurs by most of the rest of the punk scene worldwide. 2010 may not be the heyday of punk (i'd say there have been several... 1981 maybe the peak), but there's still tons of good #$%* out there. like the pistols, most of the commercial #$%* you see is poseur garbage. ok, ok.. never mind the bollocks was an ok record.  ;D
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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2010, 06:20:49 PM »
i always liked DRI too. i saw them at a club in Boston, somewhere in the combat zone, back in 85 or maybe 86. i still have the scar tissue on my scalp from that night  :D
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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2010, 08:22:01 PM »
punk is alive and well in the sense of the hardcore scene that was spawned from it. black flag, minor threat, bad brains, then on. those kids found places to play, started their own labels and blazed a trail. there are still tons of shows, every week. lots of people still goin out to see these bands and buy their records, and who pay no attention whatsoever to whatever's on the radio.

and it spread. most metal, stoner rock, garage rock bands, etc. these days do it the punk rock diy way. just different kind of music. and punk bands these days have little in common w/ the sex pistols and no offense but the average guy wouldn't recognize it if it bit him on the ass. you don't see it or hear it because it is not for mass consumption. but the kids are still organized into record labels and punk houses and makin fanzines, t shirts whatevs all themselves w/out any corporation backing them or radio station playing them.

and the sex pistols are ok and all but they were basically pop because punk was popular for about 10 minutes, just like blink 182 is pop music. in the sense that punk was a part of the mainstream, then yeah punk is dead and snowboard rock/pop punk is alive and well. but the real punk scene is doin fine.

by the way Paul is in a kick ass band, Tragedy, that plays hardcore punk. I went out and saw them play, bought their records and lots of others have.

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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2010, 11:21:40 PM »
I guess I have an opposite take on it.  To me the Sex Pistols, Clash, Ramones, Patti Smith, Voidiods, Suicide Commandos, etc were the real punk music.  The fact that the Sex Pistols burst on the scene mocking and rejecting mainstream rock and roll and then imploding after a few short years was the point. To me punk was dead by around 1979 when it went mainstream and that goes for the hardcore punk that emerged around that time.  That style has changed little from 1981 to 1991 to 2001 to now.  The hardcore stuff I heard in 1981 is no different than the stuff out now.  It's mainstream even if not commercially successful.  It's just another genre of rock and roll now, nothing new or groundbreaking.  I saw many of the early bands from 1975-78 and it left the rest of the music world scratching their heads.  I still liked much of the music that grew out of it like Talking Heads, Elvis Costello, The Cure, Gang of Four, etc but I would not call that punk.  Can't leave without mentioning John Cale, Lou Reed, The Velvet Underground, and Iggy and the Stooges.
I guess some of us saw it at different times and perspectives so we all have a different take on it so I am not trying to argue.  :)
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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2010, 01:05:28 AM »
You gotta hand it to him, he was a smart opportunist with a finger on the pulse of what was happening in England at the time.  That said, I think much better punk was made by successive groups in LA, NYC and such.

Maybe his greatest achievement comes from having fanned a flame he neither controlled or understood.

And hey.  After punk, there was Gang of Four, Pere Ubu, post-punk, Touch & Go, blah blah.  The list goes on. 
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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2010, 11:29:29 AM »
I guess I have an opposite take on it.  To me the Sex Pistols, Clash, Ramones, Patti Smith, Voidiods, Suicide Commandos, etc were the real punk music.  The fact that the Sex Pistols burst on the scene mocking and rejecting mainstream rock and roll and then imploded after a few short years was the point. To me punk was dead by around 1979 when it went mainstream and that goes for the hardcore punk that emerged around that time.  That style has changed little from 1981 to 1991 to 2001 to now.  The hardcore stuff I heard in 1981 is no different than the stuff out now.  It's mainstream even if not commercially successful.  It's just another genre of rock and roll now, nothing new or groundbreaking.  I saw many of the early bands from 1975-78 and it left the rest of the music world scratching their heads.  I still liked much of the music that grew out of it like Talking Heads, Elvis Costello, The Cure, Gang of Four, etc but I would not call that punk.  Can't leave without mentioning John Cale, Lou Reed, The Velvet Underground, and Iggy and the Stooges.
I guess some of us saw it at different times and perspectives so we all have a different take on it so I am not trying to argue.  :)

I don't think you've actually heard any modern hardcore. no offense, but Tragedy sounds nothing like Minor Threat or 7 seconds. and you're right it's just what gen you're from. but the hardcore scene that I grew up with has evolved a lot and is still very strong. you're in Minn, right. ever hear of profane existence? mag and record label. lots of bands from out there still playing lots of shows. and there is a kind of a punk rock bermuda triangle. with seattle, oakland and minneapolis. lots of give and take from those places, with olympia and portland and other places being thrown in.

to me the scene I grew up with was influenced musically by sex pistols, clash, etc. but they created something new in the ethic of it. completely ignoring the mainstream instead of being a short fad within it. and the structure that they built has been added to and keeps growing all without the help of anything outside of it. and it is worlwide, now. I can find a place to stay at a punk house for free and have friends, bands to see, etc. in almost any country in the world. even undeveloped countries. and the people in the bands, fans, etc. are all on the same level. no star worship bull#$%*.

most people who say punk is dead, say that because to them it is. you have to be part of it to be aware of it.

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« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2010, 11:35:36 AM »
and you're right for the most part about the fact that most bands sound like most others in their genre, but that is true of any style. and there are bands out there that push the envelope. 'rites of spring' and 'nation of ulysses' 20 yrs ago, 10 yrs ago it was 'refused' or 'dillinger escape plan'. now there are bands like 'anaal nakrath' and 'Please Inform The Captain This Is A Hijack!' and lots others that are breaking new ground.

it's a lot broader than you might think
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« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2010, 11:51:49 AM »
Growing up heavily involved in skateboarding, a lot of the late 70's punk became our anthem in response to the alternative (80's fluff). Sorry but flock of Seagulls and Duran Duran just didn't convey the concept of jumping fences to skate in peoples empty pools while they were away. We drew off of bands like DRI, SNFU, Black Flag, Cockney Rejects, and company to put it into words while we acted it out.

I survived the mainstream of the 80's in spite of the music, not because of it

To be honest I am glad that McLaren did not have a better understanding of business. Otherwise he might have screwed it all up. ;D

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« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2010, 12:07:19 PM »
Honestly, if you haven't been involved in punk since 1977..hell, since 1987... you really wouldn't get it. Punk in 1977 was about being loud and in society's face. It's since evolved into something much less interested in what mainstream society is doing, and more interested in creating an alternative. It's not as prolific as it may have been in '75-83, but it's definitely still alive and kicking. I don't know many other cultures where a person could easily find a floor to sleep on and likely a meal to eat almost anywhere in the world.
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« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2010, 01:15:23 PM »
growing up an hour from NYC and with a fake ID (real liscense,fake info)got me everywhere.In the early 80's went to CBGB,Anthrax,tons of punk clubs back in the day.Miss it very much.Saw blondie,clash,New york dolls,ramones,bad brains,even got the chance to meet the original wailers and Bob Marleys kids(Some of them,there are lots)I miss the reggae influence on the punk scene as well,peter tosh and jimmy cliff,These are just some of what I experienced growing up,I could probably name more but I also did my share of experimenting with altering my perspective( a few less brain cells)
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« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2010, 04:11:09 PM »
growing up an hour from NYC and with a fake ID (real liscense,fake info)got me everywhere.In the early 80's went to CBGB,Anthrax,tons of punk clubs back in the day.Miss it very much.Saw blondie,clash,New york dolls,ramones,bad brains,even got the chance to meet the original wailers and Bob Marleys kids(Some of them,there are lots)I miss the reggae influence on the punk scene as well,peter tosh and jimmy cliff,These are just some of what I experienced growing up,I could probably name more but I also did my share of experimenting with altering my perspective( a few less brain cells)

I traveled around a lot when I was younger, hobo style. I ended up in NY for almost 2 yrs. I was only 19 and looked 15. but they let me in bars. that was way after when you are talking about. like 94 and 95. it was coney island high, not CBGB's for punk. but they seem to let kids drink there.

I lived in the bronx for a bit and there was a bodega on the corner where you could buy 5-10 dollr bags o weed, a cigar to wrap it in, a beer and sandwich all at the same spot. and then play vid games there while smoking and drinking. one stop shop! I think Giuliani ruined all that kind of stuff.

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« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2010, 06:17:01 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2010, 11:07:06 AM »
growing up an hour from NYC and with a fake ID (real liscense,fake info)got me everywhere.In the early 80's went to CBGB,Anthrax,tons of punk clubs back in the day.Miss it very much.Saw blondie,clash,New york dolls,ramones,bad brains,even got the chance to meet the original wailers and Bob Marleys kids(Some of them,there are lots)I miss the reggae influence on the punk scene as well,peter tosh and jimmy cliff,These are just some of what I experienced growing up,I could probably name more but I also did my share of experimenting with altering my perspective( a few less brain cells)

I dig the reggae stuff, too.

Jimmy Cliff is my fave. not so much for the modern stuff. guy I used to work with listened to reggaeton. kinda irritating. Bad Brains and the Clash merged the 2 types well I think. a lot of 'ska-punk' bands are just retarded though. used to be every hc band would throw in a little reggae riff in at least one song. and the kids would 'skank'

now metal is the big influence, not what you guys might think of as metal, though. like swedish black/death stuff. a lot of hc bands these days sound almost like speed metal w/out the wankin off solos. throbbing and pissed though. with lyrics about saving the world and being vegan. haha. kinda joking.

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« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2010, 12:17:18 PM »
I agree with the new Reggaeton and dance hall crap.Classic reggae all the way,I painted an island scene with pics of Bob Marley and gave it to ziggy Marley on stage in front of several hundred people,He hugged me and told me he was going to hang it in the Bob marley museum in kingston,Who knows it may actually be hanging there.That would be cool.I got back stage passes and party passes,My freind almost Sh*t himself .Before we left for the concert that day I told him I was bringing the painting to give ziggy in honor of his father,he told me I was nuts.I proved him wrong.
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Re: The Great Rock n Roll Swindle...
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2010, 09:18:27 AM »
I agree with the new Reggaeton and dance hall crap.Classic reggae all the way,I painted an island scene with pics of Bob Marley and gave it to ziggy Marley on stage in front of several hundred people,He hugged me and told me he was going to hang it in the Bob marley museum in kingston,Who knows it may actually be hanging there.That would be cool.I got back stage passes and party passes,My freind almost Sh*t himself .Before we left for the concert that day I told him I was bringing the painting to give ziggy in honor of his father,he told me I was nuts.I proved him wrong.

that is awesome! quite a memory.