Topic: BOYER BRANSDEN MICRO DIGITAL IGNITION v Dyna 2000?

[gnarlycharlie4u]

Has anyone heard anything about the Boyer-Bransden Micro Digital Ignition system or tried it themselves?
http://www.boyerbransden.com/html/honda.html

I have a Hondaman TI at the moment but I'm looking to clean things up and improve my spark.

I was considering the Dyna-S Electronic Ignition but I just saw the BBMDI and it looks like a viable upgrade.

Basically the BBMDI is like the Dyna points-less ignition except it also uses a microprocessor instead of the mechanical timing advance
The only thing I am concerned about is that they say you have to use stock coils or coils that have the same resistance.
That or buy their entire power system which is the BBMDI box and a set of their electronically controlled coils.

So what do you all think? Absolutely yes or no? Should I stick with the messy and annoying points system? Upgrade to the Dyna or try the BBMDI?

[gnarlycharlie4u]

here's an info sheet for the boyer bransden micro digital ignition
http://www.boyerbransden.com/pdf/KIT00089__BOX00035_.pdf

[Sam Green Racing]

I've used it with no problems at all. Why buy British though when you can buy Dyna?

This thread should be in the tech sohc/4 bikes forum, I'll leave it here till the morning.

Sam.

[gnarlycharlie4u]

I've used it with no problems at all. Why buy British though when you can buy Dyna?

This thread should be in the tech sohc/4 bikes forum, I'll leave it here till the morning.

Sam.

Thanks for giving this thread a chance in this forum... I figured it'd get a better response in here.

now, by "why buy british when u can buy dyna" are you referring to the dyna-s or does dyna make a similar product that uses a microprocessor controlled ignition and timing advance?

edit: just got your pm about the dyna 2000

[BLUE71TURBO]

 Isn't there a topic on dyna's somewhere here stating there's problems with the new setups ?   

[gnarlycharlie4u]

Isn't there a topic on dyna's somewhere here stating there's problems with the new setups ?   

do you mean THIS thread? seems some people are not enjoying their new dyna-s

[lordmoonpie]

I've purposely chosen to use BBMDI on the last four classic racers I've built and the reason is that they are faultless once set up and virtually maintenance free. I always buy their coils too as they are tiny compared to the bike's original coils and of course modern kit to boot so probably more reliable. The only time I changed from a Boyer was to junk my battery and go fullprogrammable self generating ignition at a massive cost. Boyer offer fantastic bang for your buck in my opinion and in ten years of racing/restoring they have never let me down....buy British, you know it makes sense ;-)

[BLUE71TURBO]

I've purposely chosen to use BBMDI on the last four classic racers I've built and the reason is that they are faultless once set up and virtually maintenance free. I always buy their coils too as they are tiny compared to the bike's original coils and of course modern kit to boot so probably more reliable. The only time I changed from a Boyer was to junk my battery and go fullprogrammable self generating ignition at a massive cost. Boyer offer fantastic bang for your buck in my opinion and in ten years of racing/restoring they have never let me down....buy British, you know it makes sense ;-)

 Make's sense like LUCAS electric's ?   

[Bill/BentON Racing]

That one cracked me up......The Prince of Darkness! Let us know about your experiences.Just got Hondaman's set up ,but not installed yet.I have had good experiences with Dyna S's over the years.Bill

[scottly]

Isn't there a topic on dyna's somewhere here stating there's problems with the new setups ?   

do you mean THIS thread? seems some people are not enjoying their new dyna-s

On that epic thread, it turned out to be a failed Dyna coil.

[petescb]

And I've had a failed Dyna igniter.  They have a wonderful reputation but I've never heard of a single problem with Boyer-Bransden.

[scottly]

Thanks for the feedback, pete. I felt I should have set the record straight, as I had suspected the Dyna-s as the culprit in the mentioned thread.

[Retro Rocket]

This is the one i am going to use....Forum member Voxonda has them...

http://shop.honda4.nl/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=778&products_id=354&osCsid=nd1dh3k14lfdvsg5362plmt1p4

Mick

[bwaller]

I suppose if we consider the number of Dyna units in use, the rate of failure would be insignificant. I have two bikes with Dyna S, my 750 uses the 2000 and in a word have been flawless. I did have a 3 ohm coil short years ago.

However there have been some negative reports in mostly the last couple years and I wonder if it could be attributed to a production facility change......if you get my drift?

[gnarlycharlie4u]

Well, it's understandable that a company of Dyna's size and scope is bound to have (numerically) more failures than a small company like BB. The real question is what do they do about it? Does it take a while to get a replacement under warranty? Do you even get a replacement at all?

I'm seriously considering this little beauty.
The idea of being able to electronically tune my bike and use a digital tach (possibly speedo) without lag or any mechanical components seriously turns me on. 

It's a bit $$ though, so do you all think it's worth the money? My friend thinks I'm an dolt for wanting something like this on a carbureted bike. He thinks it's overkill without EFI. I think he's an ass.

But what do you think? You all are the ones with racing experience. How happy am I going to be with the Dyna 2000 and a set of Keihin CR (29mm) on an otherwise stock motor?

[gnarlycharlie4u]

This is the one i am going to use....Forum member Voxonda has them...

http://shop.honda4.nl/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=778&products_id=354&osCsid=nd1dh3k14lfdvsg5362plmt1p4

Mick

I was trying to check out the site but I don't speak Finnish... or Dutch, or whatever.
Can anyone help? or possibly link me to an English product description?

[Sam Green Racing]

Well, it's understandable that a company of Dyna's size and scope is bound to have (numerically) more failures than a small company like BB. The real question is what do they do about it? Does it take a while to get a replacement under warranty? Do you even get a replacement at all?

I'm seriously considering this little beauty.
The idea of being able to electronically tune my bike and use a digital tach (possibly speedo) without lag or any mechanical components seriously turns me on. 

It's a bit $$ though, so do you all think it's worth the money? My friend thinks I'm an dolt for wanting something like this on a carbureted bike. He thinks it's overkill without EFI. I think he's an ass.

But what do you think? You all are the ones with racing experience. How happy am I going to be with the Dyna 2000 and a set of Keihin CR (29mm) on an otherwise stock motor?

That's the one I'm using, I think I paid $320 for it shipped, ask them for their best price.

Sam.

[voxonda]

http://doc.honda4.nl/elz2coil/Ignition%20En%20rev%20b.pdf

Hope this works.

Cheers, Rob

[gnarlycharlie4u]

words...

That's the one I'm using, I think I paid $320 for it shipped, ask them for their best price.

Sam.

I think I already said this but I believe it deserves reiteration: Sam, you are the man.

Edit: Thanks Rob (voxonda) for the pdf!

[Retro Rocket]

http://doc.honda4.nl/elz2coil/Ignition%20En%20rev%20b.pdf

Hope this works.

Cheers, Rob

Thanks Rob..

Mick

[Sam Green Racing]

http://doc.honda4.nl/elz2coil/Ignition%20En%20rev%20b.pdf

Hope this works.

Cheers, Rob

Rob, what's wrong with your own Voxonda website, can't get it to open.

Sam.

[gnarlycharlie4u]

Rob, what's wrong with your own Voxonda website, can't get it to open.

Sam.

http://www.voxonda.com/ 
Works fine for me.

Does anyone else have Rob's electronic ignition? I'm thinking about using it on my DD project and saving up to get a Dyna2000 for the CB that will see less road use than track time.

[srook]

"I've never heard of a single problem with Boyer-Bransden."

Spend some time over on http://www.britbike.com/forum  Boyer has a mixed reputation on classic British bikes.  Lucas actually produced an electronic ignition that was superior for old britbikes in every way to the Boyer, but they are no longer available.  It's interesting that Americans look at British electrics as inferior product, but Brits look at American electrics as inferior as well.  Wheeler Dealers did a Corvette build and Mike Brewer kept referring to dodgey American Electical systems.  I though it was funny.
Scott

[traveler]

Just so I understand.....you are switching, and you already have a hondaman ignition.....is there a problem with the Hondaman ignition?  Do tell!

I'm still on points until this all gets straightened out!

~Joe

[gnarlycharlie4u]

Just so I understand.....you are switching, and you already have a hondaman ignition.....is there a problem with the Hondaman ignition?  Do tell!

I'm still on points until this all gets straightened out!

~Joe

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? Hondaman ignition broken? psh.
I do still have the Hondaman Ignition. It's great, don't get me wrong. In fact it's going back to spill when I change over.
I'm just trying to clean up the bike and get something to replace the points that's all in one contained unit. Preferably mounted behind the points cover, to give it that minimalist look.

To recap it appears that I have 3 options for this. The Dyna S, the ELZ ignition (voxhonda), and the Boyer Bransden.
The Dyna 2000 is something else entirely; completely out of all the others league. That is what will be going on my track bike

I think as of right now the BB is out. I'm split between the Dyna S and the ELZ. When Rob gets back to me on a price for the ELZ it'll be a little bit easier to make the decision.