Author Topic: Undercut transmission, or rev limiter? (Read 18640 times)

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #25 on:** August 29, 2010, 10:08:36 PM »

To be honest, i am sick of the stupid prices we pay for stuff like that here in Australia. I once went with a mate to get a bush made at a small engineering shop in Queensland, it was basically a small piece of solid bar drilled out and cut on a lathe, the guy tried to charge us $75 dollars for the part, when i pointed out that if he let me i could make 5 of them in ten minutes on his lathe he then said " give us ten bucks for it". That really annoyed me because it really was an easy job and the guy was obviously trying to play on our perceived lack of knowledge. I have found this quite often when trying to get things made. I recently bought a pile of Honda stuff stateside and it was less than half of the price i can get it here and that includes shipping.....End of rant....

Mick

MRieck · « **Reply #26 on:** August 30, 2010, 12:57:58 AM »

Quote from: retro rocket on August 29, 2010, 10:08:36 PM

To be honest, i am sick of the stupid prices we pay for stuff like that here in Australia. I once went with a mate to get a bush made at a small engineering shop in Queensland, it was basically a small piece of solid bar drilled out and cut on a lathe, the guy tried to charge us $75 dollars for the part, when i pointed out that if he let me i could make 5 of them in ten minutes on his lathe he then said " give us ten bucks for it". That really annoyed me because it really was an easy job and the guy was obviously trying to play on our perceived lack of knowledge. I have found this quite often when trying to get things made. I recently bought a pile of Honda stuff stateside and it was less than half of the price i can get it here and that includes shipping.....End of rant....

Mick

You are right Mick .Personally my block was a very, very fair price if anybody knew what it takes to complete the project. I do not rip anybody off. Quality work/parts require money though somebody will always think it is to much.

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #27 on:** August 30, 2010, 01:56:55 AM »

Quote from: MRieck on August 30, 2010, 12:57:58 AM

Quote from: retro rocket on August 29, 2010, 10:08:36 PM
To be honest, i am sick of the stupid prices we pay for stuff like that here in Australia. I once went with a mate to get a bush made at a small engineering shop in Queensland, it was basically a small piece of solid bar drilled out and cut on a lathe, the guy tried to charge us $75 dollars for the part, when i pointed out that if he let me i could make 5 of them in ten minutes on his lathe he then said " give us ten bucks for it". That really annoyed me because it really was an easy job and the guy was obviously trying to play on our perceived lack of knowledge. I have found this quite often when trying to get things made. I recently bought a pile of Honda stuff stateside and it was less than half of the price i can get it here and that includes shipping.....End of rant....

Mick
You are right Mick .Personally my block was a very, very fair price if anybody knew what it takes to complete the project. I do not rip anybody off. Quality work/parts require money though somebody will always think it is to much.

As you can probably tell Mike, i know quality when i see it and i don't mind paying for it at all...

Mick

bear · « **Reply #28 on:** August 30, 2010, 02:26:48 AM »

Quote from: retro rocket on August 30, 2010, 01:56:55 AM

Quote from: MRieck on August 30, 2010, 12:57:58 AM
Quote from: retro rocket on August 29, 2010, 10:08:36 PM
To be honest, i am sick of the stupid prices we pay for stuff like that here in Australia.

I thought these gear sets where pretty reasonable considering.
All are one off machined units, not re-manufactured
All have four larger rectangular dogs.
I'm happy to stand corrected by the likes of Mr Moonpie and Co.
But I believe they are capable of copping with bigger loads than the English Nova gear sets and I doubt I would get any change out $6000AUSD for the Pommy units.

Cheers,
Brian

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #29 on:** August 30, 2010, 02:55:28 AM »

Quote from: bear on August 30, 2010, 02:26:48 AM

Quote from: retro rocket on August 30, 2010, 01:56:55 AM
Quote from: MRieck on August 30, 2010, 12:57:58 AM
Quote from: retro rocket on August 29, 2010, 10:08:36 PM
To be honest, i am sick of the stupid prices we pay for stuff like that here in Australia.

I thought these gear sets where pretty reasonable considering.
All are one off machined units, not re-manufactured
All have four larger rectangular dogs.
I'm happy to stand corrected by the likes of Mr Moonpie and Co.
But I believe they are capable of copping with bigger loads than the English Nova gear sets and I doubt I would get any change out $6000AUSD for the Pommy units.

Cheers,
Brian

Hi Brian,sorry for the hijack/rant and i don't doubt that they are quality parts, Rex knows his stuff, but he knows how to charge as well.
I have recently priced billet triple tree's for one of my bikes and the prices varied from stupid to ridiculous, went to a guy that specialises in custom rod parts and he can make them for a quarter of the price of my worst quote so thats the type of thing i was talking about...Not enough guys making specialised stuff i suppose....

Mick

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #30 on:** August 30, 2010, 03:39:05 AM »

That was some fine ranting men! Now where did I leave my dremel..........?

bear · « **Reply #31 on:** August 30, 2010, 04:15:51 AM »

Go for it Tez!

Cheers,
Brian

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #32 on:** August 30, 2010, 04:40:23 AM »

Have you ever tried cryogenically treated gears or any other parts Brian ?, what are your thoughts..

Mick

bear · « **Reply #33 on:** August 30, 2010, 05:17:11 AM »

Jeez Mick,

I'm just an old fat publican.
But I'm a racer, not an engineer.
If something breaks we find a solution, I'm into wining races.
The gear we're using works and I don't look past that.
Won't ever pretend to have any where near the tec. expertise of blokes like yourself or many others on this site, but I do appreciate your knowledge.

Cheers,
Brian

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #34 on:** August 30, 2010, 04:02:08 PM »

Thanks mate, i have little knowledge {apart from what i have read} on cryo and just thought you may have some personal experience with it, there's a mob in Melbourne that do it. I see by your "other" profession that you have no trouble getting a beer after the checkered flag drops....

Mick

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #35 on:** August 30, 2010, 05:24:16 PM »

Where's this Cryo mob in Melbourne Mick? I might give them a call? Cheers, Terry.

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #36 on:** August 30, 2010, 05:36:23 PM »

Quote from: Terry in Australia on August 30, 2010, 05:24:16 PM

Where's this Cryo mob in Melbourne Mick? I might give them a call? Cheers, Terry.

Hi Terry, Here is a link to the Company and another PDF on the subject....

http://www.cryogen.com.au/Contact1.htm

http://www.nitrofreeze.com/RETP3034Cryo.pdf

Mick

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #37 on:** August 30, 2010, 06:36:19 PM »

Thanks Mick, I've sent them an email requesting a quote. Cheers, Terry.

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #38 on:** August 30, 2010, 06:56:59 PM »

Jeez...you don't muck around.....

Mick

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #39 on:** September 01, 2010, 03:59:23 PM »

I just got the quote back Mick, $225.00 plus GST to cryogenically treat the whole gearbox, sweet! I'll drop it off tomorrow!

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #40 on:** September 01, 2010, 04:09:10 PM »

Quote from: Terry in Australia on September 01, 2010, 03:59:23 PM

I just got the quote back Mick, $225.00 plus GST to cryogenically treat the whole gearbox, sweet! I'll drop it off tomorrow!

Did you go into any depth with them about the treatment......Hmmmm,that price is ok..

Mick

dusterdude · « **Reply #41 on:** September 01, 2010, 04:21:22 PM »

sheriff,i know a guy here in the states that can do it for you,not sure of cost tho.

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #42 on:** September 01, 2010, 04:24:46 PM »

Quote from: retro rocket on September 01, 2010, 04:09:10 PM

Quote from: Terry in Australia on September 01, 2010, 03:59:23 PM
I just got the quote back Mick, $225.00 plus GST to cryogenically treat the whole gearbox, sweet! I'll drop it off tomorrow!

Did you go into any depth with them about the treatment......Hmmmm,that price is ok..

Mick

I didn't ask them about it Mick, but I read all the blurb in their website particularly relating to automotive components treatment, and it looked good to me mate, did I miss something?

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #43 on:** September 01, 2010, 04:26:36 PM »

Quote from: dusterdude on September 01, 2010, 04:21:22 PM

sheriff,i know a guy here in the states that can do it for you,not sure of cost tho.

Thanks Dusty, (How are you mate, long time no speak?) Paul in Sydney contacted me last night, he's putting me onto a guy up there who'll undercut the transmission for cheap, he did Paul's for under $100.00!

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #44 on:** September 01, 2010, 04:28:13 PM »

Quote from: Terry in Australia on September 01, 2010, 04:24:46 PM

Quote from: retro rocket on September 01, 2010, 04:09:10 PM
Quote from: Terry in Australia on September 01, 2010, 03:59:23 PM
I just got the quote back Mick, $225.00 plus GST to cryogenically treat the whole gearbox, sweet! I'll drop it off tomorrow!

Did you go into any depth with them about the treatment......Hmmmm,that price is ok..

Mick

I didn't ask them about it Mick, but I read all the blurb in their website particularly relating to automotive components treatment, and it looked good to me mate, did I miss something?

Nah, i don't think you missed anything, i have only read good things about it as well. Was just curious to hear anything "from the horses mouth" so to speak....I am thinking of doing the same thing to my stuff as well as ceramic coat the pistons...

Mick

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #45 on:** September 01, 2010, 04:37:10 PM »

Yep, ceramic coating is good, also a good way of "reclaiming" slightly worn ones. Cheers, Terry.

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #46 on:** September 01, 2010, 04:40:14 PM »

Quote from: Terry in Australia on September 01, 2010, 04:37:10 PM

Yep, ceramic coating is good, also a good way of "reclaiming" slightly worn ones. Cheers, Terry.

The biggest thing i have read about ceramic coated pistons is that it helps reduce engine temps....

Mick

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #47 on:** September 01, 2010, 04:48:40 PM »

Yep, that's right too Mick, but it adds a few thou to the surface of the piston, so if your pistons are slightly under spec, it's a good way to take them back to spec, fill in scratches etc. You might need to check with Mike before you do it, if your block is bored to suit the pistons you've got, it might be a bit tight. Cheers, Terry.

Retro Rocket · « **Reply #48 on:** September 01, 2010, 04:51:32 PM »

Quote from: Terry in Australia on September 01, 2010, 04:48:40 PM

Yep, that's right too Mick, but it adds a few thou to the surface of the piston, so if your pistons are slightly under spec, it's a good way to take them back to spec, fill in scratches etc. You might need to check with Mike before you do it, if your block is bored to suit the pistons you've got, it might be a bit tight. Cheers, Terry.

Shall do mate. Couldn't i compensate for that by using a thicker base gasket?

Mick

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #49 on:** September 01, 2010, 04:54:52 PM »

Nah mate, it's the "piston to cylinder wall" clearance that'll (possibly) be tight, due to the ceramic coating adding a couple of thou to the OD of the pistons. i don't know what the clearances are now, but I'm guessing .001 - .0015? Cheers, Terry.

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Author Topic: Undercut transmission, or rev limiter? (Read 18640 times)