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What do these covers, well , cover ??
« on: March 09, 2006, 03:55:53 PM »
Yo,

I bought these finned covers for my 1972 CB750k2 from a guy about two weeks ago.

I thought (was told) I was getting a points cover, which is what I really wanted. The seller said (via email) , that he would throw in another cover with the "points" for free, so I sent him the cash.

Just 5min ago I grabbed the covers to take them out to the garage to paint them black , and the holes on the smaller "points" cover looked kinda odd to me. Not being able to look at my bike (in storage still) , I checked a pic of my motor, and sure as hell the points cover on MY bike only has two mounting holes, not three  ::) And I am still not sure what the bigger cover fits, if anything..

Anyone know, from these pics, what these covers SHOULD fit ? They are of real good quality, and atleast I can sell them if i know what they are actually made for...
« Last Edit: March 09, 2006, 03:58:14 PM by ProTeal55 »
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Re: What do these covers, well , cover ??
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2006, 04:05:34 PM »
The cover with three holes is probably for the stator housing or clutch. Stator cover is around 4.75", clutch cover around 5.5".
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Re: What do these covers, well , cover ??
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2006, 04:37:23 PM »
This is the style I have for a clutch cover.
It is in my garage getting a "Few" coats of paint. ;D

Here's a thought. Is the bigger cover I have, with the two holes , the points cover ?
See this ebay auction ----> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CHOPPER-CB-750-CB750-SOHC-CHROMED-FINNED-POINTS-COVER_W0QQitemZ4618435442QQcategoryZ35591QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Looks to be the same as I have, and just checked to see , and it is almost the exact size of the clutch cover I have.

I always thought the points cover was smaller than the clutch.
Kinda hard to tell without having the bike in front of me to look.....
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Re: What do these covers, well , cover ??
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2006, 06:50:59 PM »
The top pics are the stator cover (3 holes) The other pics (2 holes) are the points cover. When you put the stator cover on,you take out the 3 screws and put the cover on over where it says Honda. You will have to get slightly longer screws. I went to Home Depot and got allen head screws.
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Re: What do these covers, well , cover ??
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2006, 07:00:02 PM »
The top pics are the stator cover (3 holes) When you put the stator cover on,you take out the 3 screws and put the cover on over where it says Honda. You will have to get slightly longer screws.
Thanks for the clearification. Wouldn't you remove the cover that says "HONDA" and replace it with the finned cover ?
Is it susposed to go on-top of the factory cover ? Have any pics of your setup so I can check it out ???
The other pics (2 holes) are the points cover.
I (with the help of CBJunkie) Figured out the larger of the two is indeed the points cover. It is in my garage with
the clutch cover getting painted as I type...
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2006, 07:19:55 PM »
 
The top pics are the stator cover (3 holes) When you put the stator cover on,you take out the 3 screws and put the cover on over where it says Honda. You will have to get slightly longer screws.
Thanks for the clearification. Wouldn't you remove the cover that says "HONDA" and replace it with the finned cover ?
Is it susposed to go on-top of the factory cover ? Have any pics of your setup so I can check it out ???


The three bolts hold the magnet inside the alternator cover, the circle with "Honda" is part of the alternator cover and is not removable. As Breeze says, it goes on top.
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Re: What do these covers, well , cover ??
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2006, 07:40:23 PM »
Gotcha !
If the three bolts hold on the magnet, I would assume that if all three are removed at the same time
the magnet will fall inside the cover ?
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2006, 07:43:33 PM »
No it wont fall.
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Re: What do these covers, well , cover ??
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2006, 07:47:00 PM »
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MRBREEZE---->Have any pics of this cover installed I could see ?
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2006, 07:51:07 PM »
Here's a 400/4 but the same covers.
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2006, 07:51:26 PM »
Hey Pro Teal,If you go into my gallery,you will see the first 2 pics... The right side and the other side. You can see all of the covers mounted. Don't think I have seen them painted black yet. Sounds cool. Put up some pics when ya' got em on. By the way,hows the 21 inch front wheel coming along? Thats what I really want to see.
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2006, 08:22:13 PM »
Here's a 400/4 but the same covers.
Thanks for the pics, that motor looks killer !
Don't think I have seen them painted black yet. Sounds cool. Put up some pics when ya' got em on. By the way,hows the 21 inch front wheel coming along? Thats what I really want to see.
I am painting the covers the same low gloss enamel paint that most everything else on the bike is getting painted with.
I plan to sand the top of the fins, so they will be bare alum. aginst the black background. Should look pretty sweet.

As far as the 21'' front wheel project goes, no status pics to show as of yet. The setup is at Dragman's house in Indiana, getting some loose ends taken care of. Should have entire front end, from 21'' wheel , dual calipers with cross-drilled rotors, polished lower legs, and internally lowered springs by the end of the month. Then all I need to do is mount my master cylinder I got off a Buell, get the right brakelines, and the front of the bike will be done... ;D
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Re: What do these covers, well , cover ??
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2006, 05:21:41 AM »

  ProTeal,
            I know I'm not the only one waiting to see your bike's completion but, I am just wondering
  how you're holding up not being able to ride it and all. I hope you have a backup bike to kind of keep
  you pacified. :D ;) Keep up the good work, like the other guys, I'm wanting to the the results.
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Re: What do these covers, well , cover ??
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2006, 10:17:08 AM »
I know I'm not the only one waiting to see your bike's completion but, I am just wondering
how you're holding up not being able to ride it and all. I hope you have a backup bike to kind of keep you pacified. :D ;) Keep up the good work, like the other guys, I'm wanting to the the results.
This Honda is the only bike I have at the momment. I did have a HD Roadking, but sold it not too long ago becasue I was bored with it, and never rode it.
Plus, I have the 55 to drive around - enjoy the weather , when the bike is down. I have a good plan of attack on the bike, to keep the downtime as short as possibile. Like I am building the entire front-end so I can remove the stock - and replace with the new in one whole shot.
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2006, 10:51:46 AM »
I got your rotors drilled and will be sending pics.The spacer is in line at the lathe will be done soon
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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2006, 11:35:27 AM »
dennis,if you feel you should answer on the forum do so,but if not pm me.how much do you charge to drill rotors.
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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2006, 04:01:49 PM »
maybe it's just me...but there something wrong with putting a cover on a cover ???

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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2006, 04:05:54 PM »
maybe it's just me...but there something wrong with putting a cover on a cover ???
Thats kinda how I took it , untill I saw some pics of the cover on the stock piece.
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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2006, 04:42:28 PM »
oh yea.. I agree...they do look cool..ought to hold heat well ???

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Re: What do these covers, well , cover ??
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2006, 04:50:52 PM »
ought to hold heat well ???
Adding a cover will not effect anything...

3/10/06
Here is how the covers look , after a few coats of low gloss paint, and some sanding.
I need to do some more sanding of the fins, but you can get the overall idea..
They look kinda "rough around the edges" so to speak , but so does my bike  ;D
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2006, 05:10:09 PM »
they sure look good!!!!!!!! ;D 8)

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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2006, 09:48:36 PM »
they sure look good!!!!!!!! ;D 8)
Thanks - I think they look pretty sweet for the time/effort.....
I got your rotors drilled and will be sending pics.
Here is a quick pic of DRAGMAN's handywork. He did this in his basement, and it turned out great !
I can't stress enough how much help he has been in my project, his knowledge, ability, parts inventory, etc... ;D
I can't wait to have these babies mounted to my new front end...
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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2006, 10:24:30 AM »
I would like some plain chrome covers...no can find...that don't say honda on them...chrome not polished alum

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2006, 11:25:02 AM »
I would like some plain chrome covers...no can find...that don't say Honda on them...chrome not polished alum
If you want to spend the $$$ , I am sure you could have a machine shop turn you out some
custom covers, then just have them chromed.
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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2006, 12:01:59 PM »
yea but no ;D..more money than I want to spend..hopng to find something laying around in someones shop ;D

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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2006, 02:07:27 PM »
No it wont fall.

It may not fall, but back in the day, this was a very common area for pitfalls.  Be very careful selecting the screws.  If too long, they will intrude into the alternator.  Also, I would replace each screw one at a time, to ensure that correct orientation of the field coil is maintained. 
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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2006, 02:19:08 PM »
I did'nt have any problems with mine but you got me thinking.The only way you could do it is to take some long screws and wack the heads off of them. Screw a couple of them in to hold everything in place and then remove the last screw.Then slip the cover over the studs. Like I said though, I did'nt have any probs.
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2006, 06:13:00 AM »
WhI get around to putting this cover on , I plan to remove one screw at a time. The last thing I need on my bike is electrical problems of any sort..
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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2006, 05:59:18 PM »
ok...I'm the dumbass...how ya going to replace one at a time ???...cover will be in the way ???

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« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2006, 06:52:31 PM »
ok...I'm the dumbass...how ya going to replace one at a time ???...cover will be in the way ???

You cut the head off one of the screws after it's out.  Use that to locate the field coil.  Then hang the decorative cover on that, put in the two normal screws, but not quite snug.  Unscrew the "hanger" screw and insert the last normal screw.  It may not really be necessary to go to all this trouble.  But I seem to remember at least once back when I made a living doing this, that the field coil shifted once all the screws were out. 
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« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2006, 07:21:03 PM »
Thats what I said!! Cut the heads off of one or two longer screws (stud) and slip the cover over.
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« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2006, 07:28:06 PM »
dam...that makes since..I've been known to paint myself into a corner :-[

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« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2006, 07:29:56 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2006, 09:53:42 PM »
No it wont fall.

It may not fall, but back in the day, this was a very common area for pitfalls.  Be very careful selecting the screws.  If too long, they will intrude into the alternator.  Also, I would replace each screw one at a time, to ensure that correct orientation of the field coil is maintained. 

I’m glad “oldfart” brought this up; I wanted to, but I’m pretty insecure being such a beginner and all.

I was lucky, and a neighbor had a 400/4 generator/coil assembly removed from a bike. I don’t think a more experienced person would need to get in there and see what was going on, but I did.

When I put the finned cover on my generator side, I took out one screw only, and put in a longish (at least 100mm) Allen headed bolt (with the finned cover on it, through the appropriate hole).  (I think, on mine anyway, there’s only one hole that will work if you want the fins to go horizontally.)  I tightened the bolt until it was finger tight into the coil.  I loosened the other two screws, and removed them while I held the coil relatively snuggly against the back of the genny cover with the other hand.  (I don’t think it matters a whole lot if the coil does get loose at that point - what matters is that you use the long bolt to snug it into it’s proper place as best you can, before giving the other two bolts the final cinch.  I had to kind of jiggle the bolt to get the coil seated properly - I noticed on my friend’s removed one, that inside it has little ridges both at the edge and closer to the middle in kind of a stop sign shape, and they need to line up.)  So I put the finned cover in place (along the long bolt obviously) and screwed it down with the other two bolts.  Then I took out the long one that had acted as a handle, and put the proper length screw into that one.

I had determined what length to cut the screws with my friend’s removed assembly, with the finned cover I was using.  But I don’t think you need to go to that trouble of removing the whole assembly from your bike.  Since all three 16 mm, stock screws must be removed in order to get the finned cover in place, you could just do what I did above - to a certain point - just to measure.  Long bolt through the proper hole in the finned cover, remove one of the stock screws, thread in the long one (through the proper hole), remove the other two - cinch the whole thing together as tight as you can by hand, and then put a second long bolt in finger tight - back it off two turns, and mark it for length.  (You could also probably add a nut before the finned cover on the long “handle” bolt.   That way, after removing the last two stock screws, you could tighten the assembly back together tight enough for a good measurement, at least.)

Lastly, one would think you could do this simply by measuring, and maybe you can.  But I tried to do that, and couldn’t really get it right.  (I don’t think the finned cover sits really precisely into the three holes, and maybe that’s why I failed using measuring and adding.)

I really wanted to be certain I didn’t mess up my genny, and after looking inside of one, I’m glad I made sure what length bolts to use.  Although I have used dumb luck successfully in the past, I’m trying to get away from it as a mechanical technique.  The bottom line is that you’ve got a window in bolt length of a couple of millimeters, and if you miss that length bad things have an increased likelihood of occurring.  If the screws are too short you either can’t get them to grab the coil at all, or they only grab by one or two threads.  If they’re too long then you will be unable to tighten the coil to the generator cover properly.

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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2006, 12:02:20 AM »
Well I Guess I just got plain old lucky when I did mine cause I don't have any problems but for future reference I will do the stud thing when going into that cover.
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« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2006, 01:33:40 PM »
<snip>...if they’re too long then you will be unable to tighten the coil to the generator cover properly.

Or the screws might foul the wire coil embedded in the field coil assembly.  Thanks, Zane.

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« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2006, 03:36:03 PM »
Thanks for the tips guys.
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