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Front Tire
« on: December 05, 2010, 11:59:44 AM »
I currently run a 90/90/19 and it feels/looks a bit small.  Ordered a 110/90/19 and it looks huge... 
Anybody running a 110 on their 750?  Opinions? Handling?

Maybe i should exchange it for a 100/90.

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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2010, 02:36:40 PM »
Sounds like a "Goldilocks" problem.  100/90 will be juuuuusst right.

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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2010, 06:01:45 PM »
yeah that's what i thought..... 

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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2010, 07:54:14 PM »
I ran a 110/90-19 for many years and miles. They wear forever, and have a lot of grip due to large contact patch. But...
they are just huge and weight a ton, which slows down the steering and weighs on the suspension.

 So if you're stuck owning the 110, it'll be OK. If you can I think you'd be happier all round with the 100.
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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2010, 02:05:33 AM »
No, MC.  Too large of a tire on a small rim makes for a smaller contact patch because of the extra curvature.
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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2010, 05:54:57 AM »
No, MC.  Too large of a tire on a small rim makes for a smaller contact patch because of the extra curvature.
Good point. I forgot to mention I had a 2.15 x 19 Borrani Record rim (which I think I sold to terry of oz). The 110 on a stock rim is too wide and shouldn't be used. My bad.

My chart says a 100 on the stock 1.85 rim is borderline too wide.
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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2010, 06:02:02 AM »
There is always some increase in size because we have to go metric.  Finding good rubber in inches is impossible these days.
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2010, 11:52:11 AM »
There is always some increase in size because we have to go metric.  Finding good rubber in inches is impossible these days.

Whoops.  Metzeler still has 'em.
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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2010, 04:30:24 PM »
No, MC.  Too large of a tire on a small rim makes for a smaller contact patch because of the extra curvature.
Good point. I forgot to mention I had a 2.15 x 19 Borrani Record rim (which I think I sold to terry of oz). The 110 on a stock rim is too wide and shouldn't be used. My bad.

My chart says a 100 on the stock 1.85 rim is borderline too wide.

Are you saying my front is a 1.85?  I'm not sure if i have a stock front rim, it looks wider.  I can't currently measure the inside but the outside is around 2.75" x 19.
I think the 100/90 would work.

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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2010, 04:44:20 PM »
If it is a spoke wheel, the tire rim has metal folded over several times (for strength), making the inner width far smaller than the outer width.
I just measured by known 1.85 inch front wheel.  The outer rim width at 2.788 inches.

I'm tellin' ya, wider front tires do NOT improve how the bike works.  It only changes how the bike looks.

For how it works, you won't be sorry with the stock 3.25 inch size tire from Metzeler on the stock rim.

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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2010, 05:32:19 PM »
Thanks TT,
I was going for a bit of both, form and function.  I run a 130/16 on the rear and the 90/90 on the front looks too small. 

I found this handy chart.
http://www.usmotorcycletires.com/tire_size_conversion_chart.php



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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2010, 05:41:38 PM »
Actually its been known for years that a wider tire (within reasonable limits) does not put any more or less rubber on the road than its narrower sister if the tires are otherwise the same.  The contact patch doesn't get any bigger, it just changes shape, being longer with the narrower tire.  But the simple fact of the matter is that two tires make of the same compound and of the same construction, only differing in their widths, will have exactly the same contact area under the same load - the contact area only changes if you change the air pressure in one of them or increase/decrease the load on the tire.
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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2010, 05:44:54 PM »
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I'm tellin' ya, wider front tires do NOT improve how the bike works.  It only changes how the bike looks.

Not always. I owned an ex race bike, it was a GPX750 Kawasaki and it had a 16 inch front wheel and 18 rear, it had R compound Comp K Metzeler's on it. The front tyre's recommended size was a 120, Greg raced the bike with a 130 Comp K rear tyre running backwards on the front rim and that bike is without doubt the best handling motorcycle i have ever owned and ridden bar none and it was scary fast {faster then Gregs Gsxr1100}. It was set up by a HRC mechanic that was on a swap with an Aussie engineer and worked for a friend of mine for 6 months, man,he made that Kawasaki blindingly fast and it handled like a dream.....There are exceptions to the rule, i also used to ride on a 140 rear tyre {which is supposed to be a no no} on a standard rear rim on my old 750's and never had any trouble and those bikes were ridden hard...The tyre's were the old AM48 Michelin"s on those bikes...

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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2010, 08:35:02 PM »
Retro, you didn't just compare street tires to race compound tires, did you?  Race tire are so soft and sticky that you can only get 3 to 5 hundred miles out of them.  But they stick like glue to the road.  And going from a 120 to a 130 isn't that much of a change.

And while putting rears on front and vice versa is a somewhat common on the race track, I surely don't want anyone reading this thread thinking it's okay on the street.  Again, we're not talking about tires that will see thousands of miles. 2 to 3 races, and they're gone.  The teams with real money get new rubber each time they get on the track.  The problem is that the carcass and belts inside the tire are made differently, front and rear.  Rears are made to accelerate and brake.  Fronts are made to brake and corner.  The belts are laid to do particular jobs.  Sorta okay for a couple hundred miles, a recipe for disaster for much more than that.
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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2010, 11:02:50 PM »
Retro, you didn't just compare street tires to race compound tires, did you?  Race tire are so soft and sticky that you can only get 3 to 5 hundred miles out of them.  But they stick like glue to the road.  And going from a 120 to a 130 isn't that much of a change.

And while putting rears on front and vice versa is a somewhat common on the race track, I surely don't want anyone reading this thread thinking it's okay on the street.  Again, we're not talking about tires that will see thousands of miles. 2 to 3 races, and they're gone.  The teams with real money get new rubber each time they get on the track.  The problem is that the carcass and belts inside the tire are made differently, front and rear.  Rears are made to accelerate and brake.  Fronts are made to brake and corner.  The belts are laid to do particular jobs.  Sorta okay for a couple hundred miles, a recipe for disaster for much more than that.

Don't panic mate, i rode it on the street for 3 and a half years and like i said, it was the best handling bike i have ever ridden. I left the tyres the same type and size on the bike and they were metzeler comp K,  R compound and were legal for the street. I know my bikes dude and there is now way in hell i would give any example of anything to do with bikes that i would consider dangerous on this or any other forum. I was actually working in a bike shop in Sydney when i owned that bike, bought my GSXR1100 from them as well,i used the same tyres on it as well, just different sizes. And by the way, the bike {GPX Kawasaki} held an Australian championship and did extremely well in endurance racing as well, all with the same set up.....I wish i had never sold the bike it was that good.....
I am extremely anal with my bikes and they all handle as good as they possibly can and i always put the best tyres on that i can buy, "R" compound tyres are completely street legal and are what are used in production racing,you would be surprised how good they are on the street, made my rides a lot safer.....


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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2010, 07:20:23 AM »
That would be the difference between the States and Oz.  R (race) compound tires are not street legal here.  And I seriously doubt that you got "years" out of a single set of R compound tires.

And yes, comparing a street front tire to a rear R compound tire on the front will be far better in traction and handling.  But just think how even better a true front R compound tire would be.  It's not just the innards of a tire are different front vs rear.  The tread on a rear tire is made for accelerating and braking, the front for side to side grip and braking.
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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2010, 08:28:39 AM »
Actually its been known for years that a wider tire (within reasonable limits) does not put any more or less rubber on the road than its narrower sister if the tires are otherwise the same.  The contact patch doesn't get any bigger, it just changes shape, being longer with the narrower tire.  But the simple fact of the matter is that two tires make of the same compound and of the same construction, only differing in their widths, will have exactly the same contact area under the same load - the contact area only changes if you change the air pressure in one of them or increase/decrease the load on the tire.

ive always thought the same thing, and seen it backed up in car and driver. yet anytime i try to convince someone of this they look at me like im a complete idiot.

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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2010, 09:51:59 AM »
Actually its been known for years that a wider tire (within reasonable limits) does not put any more or less rubber on the road than its narrower sister if the tires are otherwise the same.  The contact patch doesn't get any bigger, it just changes shape, being longer with the narrower tire.  But the simple fact of the matter is that two tires make of the same compound and of the same construction, only differing in their widths, will have exactly the same contact area under the same load - the contact area only changes if you change the air pressure in one of them or increase/decrease the load on the tire.

ive always thought the same thing, and seen it backed up in car and driver. yet anytime i try to convince someone of this they look at me like im a complete idiot.

Perhaps that's because you are comparing car tires to motorcycle tires?   ???

Wider motorcycle tires do what was expected only when the rim is widened, too.    This is because the tire sidewall position/angle changes when simply putting wider tires on narrow rims.

Think of how much weight and stability you have holding a heavy object directly overhead.  Now lean yourself over 20-30 degrees.  Notice a reduction in stability?  This is the physical principle you can apply to the tire sidewall.

A tire properly fitted to the rim has the bead on each side directly under the edge of the tread width.  An oversize tire on a narrow rim pinches the bead mount points together, creating an angle between tread edge and rim stress receptor.  This results in tire tread position instability, due to the lack of support of the tire sidewall.  To compensate, the tire pressure for the oversize tire must be increased to "stiffen" the sidewall.  Over-inflating the tire, reduces the "contact patch" as the increased pressure heightens the tire crown.  When new, the oversize tire has an effective crown about the same as the proper size tire.  But, the overinflation makes the tread center wear faster than the edges, leading to progressive handling issues, as the contact patch position center moves farther laterally as the bike leans over.

Increasing the width of the tire can't be looked at without also eyeballing the rim seated position.  The better manufactures make data available about what rim width their manufactured tire can be mounted upon for proper performance of the tire.  This relates to the acceptable sidewall angle, with which the tire is designed to operate properly.  If you use a rim width outside those recommendations, you are on your own for projected performance, contact patch, and wear patterns.

In my experience, wider/oversize rear tires seemed fine when brand new.  But, the requirement to apply counter steer pressure on the bars increased progressively throughout the tread life.

With the stock size tire, this progression of counter steer effort is hugely reduced.  With both tires I had the ability to scrape hard bits of bike on pavement in high G turns.  That's where the traction was limited in both cases.  So, turning performance had no difference, be they stock tires or oversize.

My experiences are with the SOHC4, mainly the CB550 (and the design parameters of that era).  Perhaps on different model/era bikes the experience is different.  But, applying what worked on a different machine to the SOHC4 may well be like comparing apples to oranges.

If you are going to a wider tire because of "looks", at least use a rim width that work with the manufacturer's specs for the tire chosen.  This analysis is done for you, if you just use the inch size tire that both Honda and the tire manufacturer agreed best fit the the stock rim.

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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2010, 01:07:24 PM »
Actually its been known for years that a wider tire (within reasonable limits) does not put any more or less rubber on the road than its narrower sister if the tires are otherwise the same.  The contact patch doesn't get any bigger, it just changes shape, being longer with the narrower tire.  But the simple fact of the matter is that two tires make of the same compound and of the same construction, only differing in their widths, will have exactly the same contact area under the same load - the contact area only changes if you change the air pressure in one of them or increase/decrease the load on the tire.

ive always thought the same thing, and seen it backed up in car and driver. yet anytime i try to convince someone of this they look at me like im a complete idiot.

Perhaps that's because you are comparing car tires to motorcycle tires?   ???

Wider motorcycle tires do what was expected only when the rim is widened, too.    This is because the tire sidewall position/angle changes when simply putting wider tires on narrow rims.

Think of how much weight and stability you have holding a heavy object directly overhead.  Now lean yourself over 20-30 degrees.  Notice a reduction in stability?  This is the physical principle you can apply to the tire sidewall.

A tire properly fitted to the rim has the bead on each side directly under the edge of the tread width.  An oversize tire on a narrow rim pinches the bead mount points together, creating an angle between tread edge and rim stress receptor.  This results in tire tread position instability, due to the lack of support of the tire sidewall.  To compensate, the tire pressure for the oversize tire must be increased to "stiffen" the sidewall.  Over-inflating the tire, reduces the "contact patch" as the increased pressure heightens the tire crown.  When new, the oversize tire has an effective crown about the same as the proper size tire.  But, the overinflation makes the tread center wear faster than the edges, leading to progressive handling issues, as the contact patch position center moves farther laterally as the bike leans over.

Increasing the width of the tire can't be looked at without also eyeballing the rim seated position.  The better manufactures make data available about what rim width their manufactured tire can be mounted upon for proper performance of the tire.  This relates to the acceptable sidewall angle, with which the tire is designed to operate properly.  If you use a rim width outside those recommendations, you are on your own for projected performance, contact patch, and wear patterns.

In my experience, wider/oversize rear tires seemed fine when brand new.  But, the requirement to apply counter steer pressure on the bars increased progressively throughout the tread life.

With the stock size tire, this progression of counter steer effort is hugely reduced.  With both tires I had the ability to scrape hard bits of bike on pavement in high G turns.  That's where the traction was limited in both cases.  So, turning performance had no difference, be they stock tires or oversize.

My experiences are with the SOHC4, mainly the CB550 (and the design parameters of that era).  Perhaps on different model/era bikes the experience is different.  But, applying what worked on a different machine to the SOHC4 may well be like comparing apples to oranges.

If you are going to a wider tire because of "looks", at least use a rim width that work with the manufacturer's specs for the tire chosen.  This analysis is done for you, if you just use the inch size tire that both Honda and the tire manufacturer agreed best fit the the stock rim.

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The basic theory is actually the same. Wider tires do not put more rubber on the ground. less PSI does (all held equal)
ONLY talking about contact patch, not inferring anything else

I totally agree that putting a bigger tire on the same rim is a bad idea. most tire manufacturers will actually tell you what range of rim widths a tire is designed to fit.


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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2010, 03:45:07 PM »
That would be the difference between the States and Oz.  R (race) compound tires are not street legal here.  And I seriously doubt that you got "years" out of a single set of R compound tires.

And yes, comparing a street front tire to a rear R compound tire on the front will be far better in traction and handling.  But just think how even better a true front R compound tire would be.  It's not just the innards of a tire are different front vs rear.  The tread on a rear tire is made for accelerating and braking, the front for side to side grip and braking.

You need to go to a bike shop 333 and have a look, you may have a different designation on your tyres there but they will be the same compounds.  {actually i think you will find that they are marked the same} {just checked and they are and all tyre manufacturers make them}
Some of you guys have trouble reading as well, i said i left the same size tyres on {i changed them twice}.  You are sadly mistaken if you think a rear tyre isn't designed for cornering as well mate. It is obvious by your posts that you don't know a great deal about Bike tyres, the compounds i mention here are the EXACT SAME COMPOUNDS that are available in the states, I have friends that raced there and used the same tyres there that they used here,this was in the 80's. Last but not least, i well and truly know the difference between a race tyre that is not allowed for the steet and a race compound street tyre. Bike tyres have been around in these compounds for as long as i know. Use google and then comment dude.....I know what i am talking about and it is frustrating trying to explain it to someone that won't look into it and just gives an baseless opinion........I stand by everything i said in my original post, there are times where different size tyres work on any bike.....

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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2010, 03:54:42 PM »
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Wider motorcycle tires do what was expected only when the rim is widened, too.    This is because the tire sidewall position/angle changes when simply putting wider tires on narrow rims.

Well you guys obviously can't read and i am sure LLoyd just completely ignores some posts just to hear his own voice. I clearly stated that the bike i owned {and it surprised me at first} had bigger tyres on stock rims and worked perfectly. This was done with advice from a Honda race mechanic from Japan, as previously stated. The bike in question was an excellent bike to ride and handled brilliantly. Sometimes theory and paper work don,t add up to real life experience and in this case it worked remarkably well. The guy i bought the bike off is a well known racer here and is a good friend of mine, i know the bikes history from start to finish, he also wasn't the only guy to use the bigger tyres.. There are exceptions to every rule and if people didn't try new things we would still be living in the dark ages....

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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2010, 04:57:33 PM »
I figured it out Mick, you guys run tyres and we run tires.  That changes everything ::)

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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2010, 08:18:45 PM »
Jeez, Mick.  I don't know where to start.  I'll start with the big one.  There is no such thing as a race compound street tire.  I'm sure the tires themselves are the same here and there.  But I doubt there are tires there that have the U.S. DOT imprint on them.  And you won't find race compound tires anywhere that have that.  That's what the difference between street legal and not.

Let me address the personal one.  I probably have more training in tires than you.  I worked for a dealer for about 12 years, selling among other things, tires.  Probably every other year, we were graced with a tire manufacturer rep or two, with the express purpose of teaching us about the manufacture of tires.  Through the magic of video, I took tours of tire plants, learned about design, heard thoughts from the designers themselves, and the testing involved in making tires.  I had racers as coworkers.  I had racers as customers.  The dealer I worked for sponsored racers.

I'm willing to concede that there may be some differences between here and there.  Having never been there, I have no idea how tires are marketed there or what, legally, can be said regarding the marketing of tires or anything else, for that matter, in the land Down Under.
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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2010, 10:40:46 PM »
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Jeez, Mick.  I don't know where to start.  I'll start with the big one.  There is no such thing as a race compound street tire.  I'm sure the tires themselves are the same here and there.  But I doubt there are tires there that have the U.S. DOT imprint on them.  And you won't find race compound tires anywhere that have that.  That's what the difference between street legal and not.

Sorry dude but there is definitely such a thing as "R" compound tyres for the street, google michelin and start reading, actually every motorcycle tyre manufacturer on the planet makes them. You are confusing "race" tyres  {slicks and wets and hand cut slicks}for "R" compound street tyres, have you ever heard of "production" racing, what do you think they use.? Start googling mate because regardless of your car tyre experience {i have never seen "R" compound car tyres} there are piles of "R" compound treaded street tyres and i have used them for years.

http://www.pirelli.com/tyre/ww/en/motorcycle/sheet/diablo_rosso_corsa.html     This is a "R" compound street tyre, they {"R" compounds} have been around since the early 80's

There is a difference between hand cut slicks that are "race" compound and the "R" compound tyres for the street i speak of, i think {and hope} that is what you are referring too.....

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Re: Front Tire
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2010, 10:42:39 PM »
I figured it out Mick, you guys run tyres and we run tires.  That changes everything ::)

HAHA  ;D you could be onto something there mate. Surely there has to be some production racers on here, they all use them..unless they are poor.... ;)

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