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Question about jet needle
« on: March 22, 2006, 02:32:07 PM »
I am new too motorcycle riding and maintenance/repair. I just got a 74 CB350. I was curious as to how I could adjust the jet needle. It looks like I have to take the whole carb apart. Is that true?  My plugs are getting fouled really quick, so I know the bike is running rich. It has an after market 4-into-1 exhaust. I thought maybe the previous owner didnt adjust the jet needle properly or at all. Any thoughts would help.

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Re: Question about jet needle
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2006, 02:35:52 PM »
Have you determined the richness is from wider throttle openings vs. low speed jets? You should clean the plugs and do some plug reading at various throttle openings (idle, 1/4, 1/2, etc.) to determine which. If you're lucky, maybe its the low speeds and this can be adjusted via air screws assuming all routine maintenance and tune-up items have been done in advance.
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Re: Question about jet needle
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2006, 05:50:40 PM »
Is your air cleaner new or clear and free flowing?

Do clean plugs still foul quickly if you run a short while without the air filter?
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Re: Question about jet needle
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2006, 06:33:55 PM »
First, do as suggested and find out if the engine is rich in the needle-controlled region. This is about 1/4 to 3/4 slide opening. First do a full throttle plug chop to make sure your main jet is correct then do a plug chop at about 1/2 open (have a look, then mark the twist grip somehow at that point).
You don't have to completely disassemble the carbs. You have to remove the carb stack (2 & 3 are true buggers to get at otherwise) and take the top covers off the carbs. Bend back the lockwasher and undo the bolt holding the lift arm to the turning shaft. If you slide it over a bit and lift the slide, the ball on the lift arm will slip out of the link arm, you have to press in against the spring a bit. Then lift out the slide and needle, remove the 2 phillips screws, then you have to rotate the screw plate to line up its tang with the carb slide slot and it comes out. Remove the needle, press it down on a hard surface with the clip open side down (and with a finger on the clip or it will spring up and away) and the clip will snap off. Put it in the groove you want and snap it back on the same way. Do not lose the clip!!!!!! Now reassemble the slide/clip/link arm.
The fiddliest bit is getting the link arm back on the lift arm, there's a tiny graphite (?) button that has to sit on top of the ball and be the right way up. You can get the ball to go in by fiddling and pushing the lower graphite thingy down with some small tool, this is quick once you get the hang of it. If you just can't get it in, flatten the other lockwasher and remove the cap nut on the link arm, and assemble it that way. Just don't lose that graphite button - it goes in pointy end up.
Once reconnected and sealed up, the carb sync will be slightly messed up but not enough to worry about while doing carb tuning. Once you're happy with the way the plugs look through the throttle range you should resyc the carbs

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Re: Question about jet needle
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2006, 08:06:43 PM »
First: has the bike been sitting long?
The float needles inside the bowls might be gummy and stuck, if so. This will make the float level(s) very high and cause apparent richness. Look into those bowls, spray a bunch of carb cleaner into the valves and seats in there, then try again. Make sure the valve(s) in the seat(s) move very easily.

Then try to check out the jetting issues. Otherwise, you might be shooting yourself in the boot...
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Re: Question about jet needle
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2006, 12:46:54 AM »
You know, my bike has the identical problem. I just replaced the points which were corroded and had build up and replaced the condensers as well as adjusting the timing. The thing still is running rough. I dont know anything about them. I wish I did. I have the 4-into-1 as well. Looks sweet, as my plans are to turn it into a cafe racer. You may want to check the spark on your plugs. Do you have a Clymer manual? I am a 22 year old who got this as my first bike last spring and the clymer is tough to understand sometimes. If I figure what is wrong with mine I will get back to you more. My email is a better way to get me.
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Re: Question about jet needle
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2006, 09:59:39 AM »
dangit that 4 into 1 exaust sure seems to mess people up, i think alot of folks juts slap that on without making adjustments to the carbs.
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