Topic: Anyone bought a CycleX 750 motor?

[dave500]

the story so far.

[Retro Rocket]

I find a lot of this quite unbelievable coming from a "mechanic", i am definitely no mechanic but i work to a check list when installing engines {car or bike} which includes checking all the cables, also, there are plenty of guys here with a lot less experience than you suggest, sorting out their own carbs.  A lot of amateur mistakes for a mechanic, that includes the oil lines, they are nothing like fuel line, the only thing they have in common is that they are hose.... These engines are easier than half the cars that you have supposedly worked on, why didn't you do the work yourself.?  Something just doesn't add up here.

[mick7504]

Russ

Go right back to the beginning mate, and recap it all.
ie. What did you want, what did you ask for, what did you pay for, what did you get - Be Honest.

I did attempt to read this thread in it's entirety, although my comprehension failed miserably.

Respectfully, I can understand that there are several issues which may require attention.
Having said that, I will unreservedly state that Ken is no donkey.
He is one of the best.

To resolve an issue requires the cards to be thrown onto the table without any finger pointing.
Give it a go mate and I reckon that we can help.

[Stev-o]

RR brings up a good point. If Russ is the mechanic he says he is, why not do the work himself?
A SOHC Honda motor is of simple design.

[Elan]

and now for something completely different.

And now for something completely different

[tlbranth]

Whether Russ was a mechanic or not is irrelevant. He paid to have engine work done. Wrong parts were installed and glass beads or whatever were jamming up threads. It should not have been up to Russ to keep a running commute going to get every niggling thing fixed. I agree he should go elsewhere, give someone the whole job and not do any himself - to avoid finger pointing. However, if Russ' story is factual, he should get a refund.

[Tugboat]

FISH SLAP DANCE!!!!

[lucky]

hi again lucky
 i believe your right but i don't have any resentment, it is just me telling my story to try to protect others of the same treatment, i guess you can call it frustration lucky.

Well it is good to know that you will not go back to a place that you had so many problems with. Sounds like you are moving forward now.
Thanks for telling the forum members your experience.
You have spent a lot of money on your bike and it looks good.

[mycb750k6]

Like someone already said, ask HondaMan to build you a  motor. The K0  motor he built for me is awesome. It's an 836 with  HondaMan  fancy head work and many other things. He doesn't miss much. Took a bit to get some things sorted out but that's to be expected - right? Now, after 2000 miles of break-in, the motor is unbelievably strong from 3000rpm through red line. Smooth and strong throughout the entire power band.

[MRieck]

2 sides every time.

[Retro Rocket]

Whether Russ was a mechanic or not is irrelevant.

And by the look of this thread, so was common sense. How on earth can you say "being a mechanic" is irrelevant..!!   Any mechanic i know and a lot of very normal people know the difference between fuel line and hydraulic line, also I have never met a mechanic that would force a spark plug into a threaded hole, amateur stuff right there. Plenty of relevance i would say.... Remember, Russ was the one that made it quite clear that he thinks he is a "good" mechanic....... I think not....

[bollingball]

I have to agree a mechanic does not keep going when he/she feels it getting tight. And someone said he thinks the rubber hose for getting the plug started is NOT a good idea But I have used it for over 45 years mostly on these deep holes With antiseize
Ken

[mycb750k6]

I hope there's more to this story. I'm on the edge of my seat and now have to wait for the next episode? It's not fair. I'm calling Ken myself :-)


Sounds to me like Russ just has a a tough time with the language and his communication skills. Doesn't mean he's a crack head or a meth addict. You guys are so mean some times. When asked to clarify, he did a reasonably job.


And the title of the thread is "Anyone bought a CycleX 750 motor?" and Russ certainly has and was quite simply answering the question along with his experiences . And for him to get beat up like this is shameful.


Having said that and on the flip side I doubt I'd want anything to do with this project as there's a lot that's not been said and this project is destined to go on indefinitely. I don't blame Ken for "giving up" so to speak. Enough is enough it seems.

[Retro Rocket]

And for him to get beat up like this is shameful.

Rubbish, A good mechanic  {his words} that doesn't set up his own carbs and tell the difference between fuel line and oil line, not to mention cross threading spark plugs.... A good mechanic would not continually drive 11 hours to get simple things {for a good mechanic} done repeatedly.  I don't really care what the guy did or does but from what i have read here he is either incompetent, on drugs, or bullsh1tt1ng {this should have been a poll}...    Pointing out the obvious may be a bit hard for some but it is in no way shameful....

[lucky]

I have to agree a mechanic does not keep going when he/she feels it getting tight. And someone said he thinks the rubber hose for getting the plug started is NOT a good idea But I have used it for over 45 years mostly on these deep holes With antiseize
Ken

A rubber hose will work but you have to make sure it is straight.

[russ]

 

And for him to get beat up like this is shameful.

Rubbish, A good mechanic  {his words} that doesn't set up his own carbs and tell the difference between fuel line and oil line, not to mention cross threading spark plugs.... A good mechanic would not continually drive 11 hours to get simple things {for a good mechanic} done repeatedly.  I don't really care what the guy did or does but from what i have read here he is either incompetent, on drugs, or bullsh1tt1ng {this should have been a poll}...    Pointing out the obvious may be a bit hard for some but it is in no way shameful....

Hello again

I have had a life long altering injury, along with a ripped rotator cup injury; I now question the things I do in my life, and rebuilding a Honda 750 motor now in my life now is crazy, it had me worried and talking to ken I felt like he was and very knowledgeable person to rebuild this motor after getting defective valve train parts two times.

The proof is: that I did not notice the oil line was vapor gas return line, I trusted ken, and this is a great example after my injury that I question the things I do in my life.

I do not put my words on paper good now after my injury, as I need help from other people now.

Now really, I never cross threaded a spark plug in my life time and cross threading a spark plug in this head while off and on a table is close to imposable, UN less your hands shake out of control, I am not in this condition in no way or form, it was caused bye improper sand blasting.

 I am not to proud of a person to not ask someone when I don't know something on anything in life that I don't know about, this is why I asked ken about what was needed to re jet the carburetors as I have never have done it to a bike and was worried about hurting the motor, and ken, I bet does this in his sleep and knows what is needed.
The Oil temps were at 200f on my bike and this will not melt o rings.
 Standard: 70 Durometer Black
Temperature Range: -35ºF to 250ºF
Buna-N  (Nitrile) Temperature Range: -35ºF to 250ºF
Makes you want to use (Perfluoroelastomer)  o rings in the future.?
 (Perfluoroelastomer) Temperature Range: -10ºF to 615ºF

 I have used Teflon o rings on heat exchangers on a boat  it had  2 # 426 hemi motors on a  marine application, but I have found that they are Non-Elastic and fail, Temperature Range: -250ºF to 450ºF

[russ]

 

Do you drive the 78 with the oil cooler like that?
Do you alerting or altering
Ken

Yes but now on hard right corners it hits the ground

I changed the fork oil to stop this, and it still hits the ground.

The fork oil will slow the movement of the fork as it absorbs a bump. Your problem more likely is the springs. Stock springs are known to be poor quality to begin with. If you have some miles and age on them so much the worse. You need to replace the springs, either OEM or better, an aftermarket brand like Progressive Springs.

Do you drive the 78 with the oil cooler like that?
Do you alerting or altering
Ken

Yes but now on hard right corners it hits the ground

I changed the fork oil to stop this, and it still hits the ground.

The fork oil will slow the movement of the fork as it absorbs a bump. Your problem more likely is the springs. Stock springs are known to be poor quality to begin with. If you have some miles and age on them so much the worse. You need to replace the springs, either OEM or better, an aftermarket brand like Progressive Springs.

mc rider thank you very much, i never new they had Progressive Springs for my bike can you please help me find these?
it is a great idea as maybe i would get more compression and rebound using a set of Progressive Springs, you are right the faring is heavy just being stock and i put a stereo amp and tools in this fairing. thank you again.

[754]

 The whole idea of the rubber hose is nothing to do with straightness, it is to do with limiting torgue AND fitting in a small space. I suggest that you cant strip one using that method, IF you make sure it has gone in a few turns....before using the socket..
 note, a lot of hose is curved from being on rolls, try to get a straight piece, or slip a rod or bolt in the hose (if curved) to get it straighter..

[russ]

 

The whole idea of the rubber hose is nothing to do with straightness, it is to do with limiting torgue AND fitting in a small space. I suggest that you cant strip one using that method, IF you make sure it has gone in a few turns....before using the socket..
 note, a lot of hose is curved from being on rolls, try to get a straight piece, or slip a rod or bolt in the hose (if curved) to get it straighter..

The whole idea of the rubber hose is nothing to do with straightness, it is to do with limiting torgue AND fitting in a small space. I suggest that you cant strip one using that method, IF you make sure it has gone in a few turns....before using the socket..
 note, a lot of hose is curved from being on rolls, try to get a straight piece, or slip a rod or bolt in the hose (if curved) to get it straighter..

ty 754   i use hose or a spark plug boot as i turn the spark plugs in, in till it bottoms out then i use a socket, but when i got the head back from cycle x  the spark plug only went it 3 or 4 turns, then a socket was needed to force it in the spark plug hole.

this is only a  small issue with cycle x  as they had my head three times and  complete motor three times and now there is a internal noise on one Cly, only when cold and goes away when hot, and  the motor sprays oil from both sides near the head and it seems like the right side is worse.


the sad thing is that it was leaking oil way before the high outside temperatures were in this area, like when i called  Matt and told him ,  Matt tells me that the oil leak around the head is assembly lube and it is very thick and will go away, and I was told to run the bike.

[Stev-o]

Russ,

Do you mind if we ask what your "life long altering injury" is?
It may help us understand you better.
If you would rather not disclose the info, I understand.

[russ]

Russ,

Do you mind if we ask what your "life long altering injury" is?
It may help us understand you better.
If you would rather not disclose the info, I understand.

ty  for understanding

[HonderCB]

And for him to get beat up like this is shameful.

Rubbish, A good mechanic  {his words} that doesn't set up his own carbs and tell the difference between fuel line and oil line, not to mention cross threading spark plugs.... A good mechanic would not continually drive 11 hours to get simple things {for a good mechanic} done repeatedly.  I don't really care what the guy did or does but from what i have read here he is either incompetent, on drugs, or bullsh1tt1ng {this should have been a poll}...    Pointing out the obvious may be a bit hard for some but it is in no way shameful....

The harshness of the words you use to describe another person who you do not know is sickening.  Accusing someone of being incompetent, or on drugs etc. has absolutely no place on this board.

Whether or not you think he should have done the work because he was a mechanic himself is irrelevant.  The fact of the matter is, for whatever reason (that is not our business) this man decided to pay for the service of engine work to a bike he loves.  Incorrect execution of the work paid for led to further repairs and further money, and in the end all he has is a bike that doesnt work properly, and a mechanic who will no longer talk to him.

Russ is simply sharing his story because it is relevant to the topic of this thread.  There is absolutley no reason for anyone to ridicule him for any reason whether you thing it is justified or not.  Despicable.

[mycb750k6]

This place surely has deteriorated from being a place where someone like Russ can ask for help or share his experiences to a bashing session where some find pleasure in ridiculing others.  Seems like the moderator ought to take a more active role in maintaining decorum.

[scottly]

My take on this is Russ resurrected an old thread in order to bash cycle-x. While he may have legitimate claims, it has been hard to decipher his posts. I'm guessing his injury was brain related; I've had my bell rung HARD 3 times, so I'm not passing any judgement there, just an observation from personal experience...

[Retro Rocket]

The harshness of the words you use to describe another person who you do not know is sickening.  Accusing someone of being incompetent, or on drugs etc. has absolutely no place on this board.

He made himself look incompetent by telling us he is a skilled mechanic, then he makes stupid amateur mistakes, i tell it like i see it, {from his words} ..

Russ is simply sharing his story because it is relevant to the topic of this thread.  There is absolutely no reason for anyone to ridicule him for any reason whether you thing it is justified or not.  Despicable.

Harden up dude.... whether i am despicable or sickening just goes to show how hypocritical  some posters here are, you've just done exactly the same thing....   Looks like some of you guys would believe anything....

My take on this is Russ resurrected an old thread in order to bash cycle-x.

Exactly, and posted the exact same thing in 2 other sections of the forum...

The funny thing here is, the guys defending Russ, don't have any clue what went on either, the guy has only posted in this thread and the other 2 on the same subject.......  You all want "freedom of speech".....when it suits you....