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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #75 on: June 15, 2022, 12:01:13 AM »
Congrats Alan! I bought a ball mount for action camera and presumed that their ball design was similar to RAM mounts as they looked like a knock off... Well they aren't rubber and they aren't the same size. More of a textured plastic ball for the mirror mount for an front action camera...
Oh well. Gotta dig out the RAM mount from my dead Garmin MC GPS. Barely used the thing before I went to turn it on after it sat for a bit only to discover it wouldn't power on again using either of the two batteries I had for it...
That really irritated me. It was too expensive to belly up like that.
Garmin wouldn't do anything for it as it was a discontinued model at that point...which was super irritating. Last Garmin I bought.
Now I think I am just going to soft mount a car GPS in a waterproof case shielded from the sun. Most of the time I don't need the ride instructions...

Glad you got the RE plated and are ready to get it out and about
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I'm going to take a short ride tonight to warm up the oil then change the oil in my VStrom. Need to get on it as I'm getting out of bed at 4 and it is midnight now. Maybe I will change it after I get home from my breakfast Bible study ride and just pack the saddlebags tonight for tomorrow tonight. Ugh....
Got home from grocery shopping late and had to put out fresh water for the stray I've been feeding, that's a 30 minute task dumping a small kiddie pool, rinsing the sand dirt out then refilling it., Then 2 five gallon buckets of water and couple small containers.. the birds drink from the buckets and small containers... I know the dog uses the pool to cool off. He won't let me near him and he better be using it frequently in the 110f we have been having. I built  him some shelter using some tin from and old awning that the wind had wrapped up long before I moved in. It was piled up and there were a bunch of old tires on the property and I used those to hold the tin down near the old old chicken coop.
The previous owner built one out of pallets, really redneck low budget version but it would keep coyotes out of the coop.. so it was a really low budget version they didn't use any roofing material just a sheet of plywood and painted it...that plywood is delaminating from the heat and sun now...
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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #76 on: June 15, 2022, 03:47:34 AM »
I hate being on call.

Are you getting out on Saturday?
Steve(Honda Restoration) is having another open house this Saturday and next Saturday. I think Andy is riding up on the 25th.

https://www.hondarestoration.com/index.asp
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1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
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New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #77 on: June 15, 2022, 06:52:56 AM »
I'm not sure what's on the schedule just yet but I'll keep it in mind. How early do you get out there Stu?

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #78 on: June 16, 2022, 04:01:17 PM »
Well this afternoon found a Nuvi 205, this thing is TINY less than 4"x3", it was only $6. I'll cable it up to a big power bank in a tank bag until I wire in a charging port. Now I can wander off & GPS my way home.

Then I took my Enfield across town hoping for an Inspection Sticker and while waiting in line I glimpsed my leaky left fork and all that oil and crud I forgot to clean off before heading out.
Oops! Headed back home & got it cleaned up. After some cleaning & pumping the forks quite a bit I'm confident that I won't have to replace fork seals. There had been enough oil leakage that the old Vermont Inspection Sticker and the stick-on reflector on the fork lower were both about to fall off so I cleaned that up too & remounted the reflector with some command strips from the kitchen junk drawer, it doesn't look right but you'd have to be looking for it to know. I'll try again tomorrow for that Inspection.

New fork oil is on the short list, don't worry.
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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #79 on: June 16, 2022, 06:30:40 PM »
I'm not sure what's on the schedule just yet but I'll keep it in mind. How early do you get out there Stu?
I have been getting there @ 10am
Stu
Honda Parts manager in the mid 1970s Nashua Honda
My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #80 on: June 17, 2022, 05:08:56 AM »
Good stuff Alan, how do you hear the directions on your GPS? I just use my iPhone but of course I can't hear sh1t above 35 MPH or so? Sorry to hear about your fork seal, we haven't had an issue with Tim's bike (2019 model) so it might just be some crud behind your seal. A common issue I've seen too much of is people tying down bikes on trailers and completely compressing the forks, putting a huge amount of pressure on the fork seals. I know you rode your bike home so it's probably not an issue with your bike.

I've got to replace both fork seals on the Valkyrie soon as they're leaking, and I've never done upside down forks before so I'm not looking forwards to that. I see that you've already seen some tips for cleaning fork seals, and it reminded me that I bought some fork seal cleaners on Ebay years ago and all they were, were thin slivers of plastic. I might try them out on the Valk before I attempt to replace the fork seals on them. ;D 
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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #81 on: June 17, 2022, 09:25:13 AM »
I'm mostly planning to use it to get me back to roads I know so I can find my way back, turn by turn directions or just the step by step text only will be useful. It's just a precaution to get to new or unfamiliar places in 1 go.

The bike is actually pretty quiet, and the riding position makes it easy to angle my helmet so the wind is its quietest. I didn't even put earplugs in for that 250 mile ride home from buying it, it was that quiet.

If after a few miles the seal is still dry I'll confidently take it for the inspection.
Down the line I'll pop the dust seals and give it a good cleaning out and use the plastic seal cleaner described if needed. I think these fork tubes just need to break in. It's easy to see the grind (or lathe cut) marks beneath the chrome, I think a little wear will do them good. It's also possible the PO left some dead bug crusties to dry onto the offending fork tube causing the leak. I cleaned some from both tubes before pumping the suspension with the front break held. Sitting on the bike with the brake held I first pull up to bottom the forks out, then push and hold for a few seconds. Then some more cleaning. I repeated this 4 times pumping the suspension a couple dozen times each time.
My last step was to pour some hot tap water from a bottle onto the dust seals then pump a few times followed by more hot water repeated a few times.
I'm hopeful that whatever was in there made its way out, there shouldn't be much if any crud left to work its way in.

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #82 on: June 17, 2022, 09:30:54 AM »
I've heard stories that the fork oil RE puts in these is vegan cooking oil, the manual states 2W fork oil, but is that the same measurement system I'd use?
It also states 91 octane, so who knows.

I'll be dumping this fork oil eventually anyway, so if it's really genuine 2wt or cooking oil I'll get some 10 or 12wt in there and button them up with some preload adjustable fork caps.

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #83 on: June 17, 2022, 10:24:51 AM »
if the forks are valved for 2wt oil use 2 wt oil . if you use 10 or 12 wt you will have far to much rebound damping and the bike will feel awful . its odd to use 2wt most new bikes seem to use 0wt these days .

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #84 on: June 17, 2022, 11:16:21 AM »
Alan,that's a nice tuff/strong as in durable looking machine;the color is very easy to live with,I like it.
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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #85 on: June 17, 2022, 11:44:02 AM »
if the forks are valved for 2wt oil use 2 wt oil . if you use 10 or 12 wt you will have far to much rebound damping and the bike will feel awful . its odd to use 2wt most new bikes seem to use 0wt these days .

Ok, the folks on the "unofficial R.E. forum"  have been saying that the factory spec is in a different measuring system, and that every fork oil manufacturer measures differently and that you can't trust one vs another.... It's all contrary to my experience.

There's a thread over there where someone bought a chain & sprockets kit from India, it arrived as an endless chain, the forum was split over breaking the chain and removing the wheel & swingarm to install the endless chain.

I just aired up my tires, the PO said he'd aired them up before I arrived but I doubt it.

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #86 on: June 17, 2022, 12:59:07 PM »
no if it specifies sw2 wt oil it is all the same spec . this has nothing to do with measurement it is the viscosity of the oil .

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #87 on: June 17, 2022, 03:24:15 PM »
The forks seem very soft to me. Here's a shot of the spec in the Owners Manual:

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #88 on: June 17, 2022, 08:16:23 PM »
Ok, not sure of the meaning of 2W 25, but in the Factory Service Manual on page 497 it's specified as 10wt.

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #89 on: June 18, 2022, 01:25:54 AM »
Good point about the parts coming from India, I don't know if the chain on Tim's bike is endless although that's common, the chain on my 1975 CB750F that I bought new was endless, not sure why I just remembered that after 44 years? When Tim first bought his Continental GT he over-balanced when turning it at walking pace and dropped the bike on it's left side. The only damage was a bent clutch lever and I bought him another one from a RE parts seller in India, (on Ebay) it was an OEM assembly and very cheap, 35 bucks plus 10 bucks shipping I think, for the whole assembly, not just the lever? The bare clutch lever for my Triumph was $115 plus $56 shipping. ;D
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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #90 on: June 18, 2022, 03:52:20 AM »
i see how that could be confusing ! the 2w25hpcl reference means nothing to me .  10wt would seem the way to go .
increasing the viscosity of the oil does not make the forks any stiffer it just increases the rebound damping . the best way to firm them up is the adjustable preload caps you mentioned

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #91 on: June 18, 2022, 05:37:58 AM »
From a parts manager point of view....
Maybe....2w25hpcl is a part number....
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My current rides
1975 K5 Planet Blue my summer ride, it was a friend's bike I worked with at the Honda shop in 76, lots of fun to be on it again
1976 K6 Anteres Red rebuilding project, was originally my brother's that I set up from the crate, it'll breath again soon!
Project 750s, 2 K4, 2 K6, 1 K8
2008 GL1800 my daily ride and cross country runner

Prior bikes....
1972 Suzuki GT380 I had charge of it for a year in 1973 while my friend was deployed and learned to love street riding....
New CB450 K7 after my friend returned...
New CB750 K5 Planet Blue, demise by ex cousin in law at 9,000 miles...
New CB750 K6 Anteres Red, to replace the totaled K5, I sold this K6 at 45k in 1983, I had heavily modified it, many great memories on it and have missed it greatly.....
1983 GL1100A, 1999 GL1500 SE, 1999 GL1500A

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #92 on: June 18, 2022, 05:41:59 AM »
i see how that could be confusing ! the 2w25hpcl reference means nothing to me .  10wt would seem the way to go .
increasing the viscosity of the oil does not make the forks any stiffer it just increases the rebound damping . the best way to firm them up is the adjustable preload caps you mentioned

Thank you. There are a lot of people installing springs & emulators from YSS in these bikes, nobody seems to know how to improve anything without the pre-engineered kit.

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #93 on: June 18, 2022, 08:13:27 AM »
From a parts manager point of view....
Maybe....2w25hpcl is a part number....

could be

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #94 on: June 18, 2022, 08:28:45 AM »
I'll agree with Stu on that, this is the vendor HPCL = Hindustan Petrolium Corperation Ltd.
https://www.hindustanpetroleum.com/
Sounds plausible, even probable.

Sorry I couldn't join you at the open house Stu, I missed my window to get this bike inspected yesterday and had to go this morning, but it's done. I took a spin around town but probably spent more time stopped than riding.

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #95 on: June 29, 2022, 03:53:49 PM »
I bolted a backrest/rack on this afternoon from an Ebayer in India, lots of stock parts on eBay over there shipping here. I even spotted New Replacement Frames for under a grand USD, tough to believe for a newish bike.
Out of the box the rack is heavy, wall thickness of the main tubes is thicker than any of the American made racks I've had on my 70s-80s Hondas. It bolted right up, matches paint, vinyl & stitching.

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #96 on: June 29, 2022, 04:39:14 PM »
Looks like a good fit, Alan.  What will be the primary purpose of it?
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« Reply #97 on: June 29, 2022, 05:20:20 PM »
Mostly for carrying capacity buy my girlfriend keeps nudging me to take her out riding.

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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #98 on: June 29, 2022, 06:27:45 PM »
Looks good Alan, and you can’t complain about the price! ;D
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Re: Royal Enfield 650
« Reply #99 on: June 29, 2022, 06:57:59 PM »
Thanks, I really can't it's true.