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Offline bert96

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Starting procedure guide
« on: June 15, 2024, 06:13:25 AM »

 I need your input on how to restart my engine the proper way. I have a cb750 1974,and i completely rebuild the motor years ago and now the time will finally come to start it!

Thanks for your help!

Bert
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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2024, 06:53:57 AM »
When I woke my CB750K2 up I removed all the spark plugs and squirted some engine oil in each cylinder, drained both the tank and the oil pan, filled tank with oil, then cranked the engine with kill switch set so it would not fire and observed oil pressure with a gauge to make sure it made oil pressure while cranking, which it did. Once I fired it up I ran a few heat cycles before I changed oil and filter. The initial oil I used for this was just some new Mobil 1 I had leftover from the Tacoma I no longer own.

There is a common Dorman auto engine oil drain plug you can buy at say Auto Zone to replace the right hand galley plug to measure oil pressure, you can just drill and tap it NPT for any old gauge suited to measure oil pressure, it is not suited to riding the bike though because it wanted to unscrew in my case anyway.

I found this with google which brought me right back here for the info.
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1990-1998 Subaru 1.8, 2.2 and probably 2.5 liter engine oil drain plugs

here is an Ebay one ready to go actually, cheaper if you can wait the few days for it to show up

https://www.ebay.com/itm/153453008309

But that fiber washer IMHO will want to come loose with engine vibration, did in my case anyway....good enough for a test crank and fire while you pay close attention though :-).

Then once you have run it a bit, have a fan  blowing on front of engine if you just idle it in garage you can keep an eye on oil level for a few days and see if the drain back check valve leaks like mine did, not a tough fix as long as the piston is not seized in the pump like mine was. The Joker Machine oil pressure gauge is pretty cool but only if you actually want an oil pressure gauge onboard forever. I had a 1/8NPT gauge kicking around but another $10 will get you one from Ebay, the temporary setup can be put away in your tool box in case you ever need it again. Good to know that you have GOOD pressure before you light the fire tho IMHO :-).

Bill

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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2024, 07:46:41 AM »
bert,when I view your avatar,I don't need a procedure to start my engine:it's running.
She has a very good quality garment/zipper on that top.  ;D

Make sure to get some oil down into the camshaft through the valve adjuster threaded caps before starting.
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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2024, 08:19:41 AM »
Oil pressure asap is the worry.
Is pump prlmed enough without air bubble blocking oil?
If assembly lube is used on crank bearings  and cam with rockers, longer time OK without pressure.

Crank engine on starter without plugs to let it spin until pressure. Plugs in, fuel on and start.
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http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2024, 08:40:30 AM »
I installed a high flow oil pump also years ago.
Assembly lube has been used at that time.
I got a oil pump gauge.
Can i pour one quart of oil through the valve cap?

The #$%*ing zipper is pretty tough,she play with it for years now! :)
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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2024, 04:53:43 AM »
I read where somebody primed a V8 push rod engine with an IV bottle type rig hung from the garage ceiling, that worked well enough in that case to get oil out of every rocker arm.

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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2024, 10:11:26 AM »
I installed a high flow oil pump also years ago.
Assembly lube has been used at that time.
I got a oil pump gauge.
Can i pour one quart of oil through the valve cap?

The #$%*ing zipper is pretty tough,she play with it for years now! :)

I doubt you will need an entire quart into all 8 valve caps;not even a 1/2 qt.?  enough just to wet the rockers and cams.
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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2024, 10:26:13 AM »
If you used assembly lube on the cam when you assembled, pouring oil into the top end is just gonna wash the assembly lube off faster and will not help the engine make pressure any faster.

If you can figure a way to dump oil into the gallery, that is what you want to do.
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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2024, 07:37:11 AM »
After an engine rebuild, I took Hondamans advice:   With ignition off, kick the bike over about 50 times followed by a 5 second turnover with the elec starter. I did this about 5 times, was sure oil pressure was built up and then attempted regular start up.  Good luck...
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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2024, 08:44:20 AM »
After an engine rebuild, I took Hondamans advice:   With ignition off, kick the bike over about 50 times followed by a 5 second turnover with the elec starter. I did this about 5 times, was sure oil pressure was built up and then attempted regular start up.  Good luck...
Good tip! Will Do!

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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2024, 10:40:01 AM »
Just to give you an idea of my bike....


Bert

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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2024, 02:55:50 PM »
Very nice  :)
The oil cooler especially 'catches my eye'  :) 
What brand is that one ?
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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2024, 02:58:18 PM »

 Its a "no name" I did the bracket.

 Bert
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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2024, 03:01:29 PM »

 Its a "no name" I did the bracket.

 Bert

Can you ride sitting upright at 70+ mph/110+Kph ? with the fairing cutting cleanly through the wind?
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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2024, 03:03:28 PM »
Can't say it! Did not ride it yet with this fairing.

Bert
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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2024, 07:15:30 AM »
Just to give you an idea of my bike....

Very nice custom work!  Wouldnt think you need an oil cooler up there.  What tires are those?

And the side covers are ribbed for her pleasure?!!!!!!
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Re: Starting procedure guide
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2024, 07:21:33 AM »
Just to give you an idea of my bike....

Very nice custom work!  Wouldnt think you need an oil cooler up there.  What tires are those?

And the side covers are ribbed for her pleasure?!!!!!!

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