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Re: nitrous cb550
« Reply #50 on: March 23, 2012, 12:09:45 PM »
Maybe in the hospital IC unit?
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Re: nitrous cb550
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2012, 03:25:12 AM »
58 point 5 millimeter butt plugs hurt,worse if the rods still dangling out and swinging in the wind.

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Re: nitrous cb550
« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2012, 06:33:37 PM »
must see video,the anticipation is killing me. ;D

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« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2012, 10:42:33 PM »
it might be broken?

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Re: nitrous cb550
« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2012, 11:38:57 PM »
Idk about those bars. But dam that would be a ride if it didnt blow the motor.
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Re: nitrous cb550
« Reply #55 on: August 08, 2012, 01:34:37 AM »
this thread has been updated, but it's on the darwin awards site.

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Re: nitrous cb550
« Reply #56 on: August 09, 2012, 09:43:23 AM »
lot of hate going on in here....I have messed with the thought of nitrous on my cb550, glad to see it's being done and would love to see just HOW it's done....

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Re: nitrous cb550
« Reply #57 on: August 09, 2012, 11:15:55 AM »
I love this bike.  I chuckle every time I read this thread!
I'm just finding it now.  Curious to know what's going on with it...
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Re: nitrous cb550
« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2012, 11:22:52 AM »
sinister, you know why more people don't do it? Because it's insane, dangerous and will only be exciting for about 5 seconds.
   

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« Reply #59 on: August 09, 2012, 01:04:47 PM »
sinister, you know why more people don't do it? Because it's insane, dangerous and will only be exciting for about 5 seconds.
Nitrous in general, or something specific about this build?
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« Reply #60 on: August 09, 2012, 01:14:54 PM »
ok, the list of problems with doing that are numerous. To simplify: not a SINGLE internal component is designed to handle the increased heat, power and cylinder pressures nitrous will introduce, to say nothing of the inadequacies of the fuel system. At best , you'll melt holes in the pistons before anything else lets go.
  Build a motor FOR nitrous.. and you'd have something.. but if you're going that far, why the hell wouldn't you just build it fast w/o the spray.

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Re: nitrous cb550
« Reply #61 on: August 09, 2012, 01:25:03 PM »
ok, the list of problems with doing that are numerous. To simplify: not a SINGLE internal component is designed to handle the increased heat, power and cylinder pressures nitrous will introduce, to say nothing of the inadequacies of the fuel system. At best , you'll melt holes in the pistons before anything else lets go.
  Build a motor FOR nitrous.. and you'd have something.. but if you're going that far, why the hell wouldn't you just build it fast w/o the spray.

I AM planning on building a motor that could handle it, and I plan to build the motor to be fast.....but I want to break 100whp, so I have nitrous on the mind as a backup plan if it doesn't break 100 all-motor....

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« Reply #62 on: August 09, 2012, 01:33:06 PM »
If you're looking for 100 whp, I'd much sooner throw a turbo at it than a whack of nitrous....Not nearly the same stress on parts.
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« Reply #63 on: August 09, 2012, 01:35:04 PM »
I think the combination of N02, suicide shift and humungous bars is just plain crazy never mind if the engine can take it.
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« Reply #64 on: August 09, 2012, 01:53:18 PM »
I think the combination of N02, suicide shift and humungous bars is just plain crazy never mind if the engine can take it.

yeah, that too!

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« Reply #65 on: August 09, 2012, 01:57:42 PM »
For what you'll $pend wringing 100hp out of a 550 you could buy a used sportbike that'll do that all day long AND donate $2500 to a charity with money left over to buy your friends a round after you trounce them on the back roads.
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« Reply #66 on: August 09, 2012, 09:31:42 PM »
If you're looking for 100 whp, I'd much sooner throw a turbo at it than a whack of nitrous....Not nearly the same stress on parts.
How is 100hp from a turbo easier on parts than 100hp from nitrous?
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« Reply #67 on: August 09, 2012, 09:51:01 PM »
Turbo comes on slower, and isn't heating up the chamber nearly as much as pumping oxygen right into the cylinder.
   Nitrous oxide was developed for fighter planes in wwII, with the most insanely overbuilt top and bottom ends you can imagine.
   They first experimented with just oxygen.. which of course helped the burn out a lot, but generated too much heat, stuff melted... then, adding 2 parts liquid nitrogen, the super cold helped things, having the side effect of a much denser air fuel charge because of the extreme cold.
   If you inject nitrous oxide , you also need supplemental fuel.. In mild race street cars, air/fuel mix is a lot more forgiving because of the shared runners of the intake manifold, also nitrous oxide kit manufacturers put tons of research into how much extra fuel you need with the size of the nitrous shot.
 NOW, consider for a minute what a #$%* it is to jet when you make even a minor change in your engine's breathing... and compound that hassle with trying to figure out how much supplemental fuel you need when you open the nitrous solenoids.. getting thru your trial-and-error period without tossing something out of the side of the block would be a miracle. 
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Re: nitrous cb550
« Reply #68 on: August 10, 2012, 06:33:03 AM »
 The problem on this build was he did not want to build the motor to take it, he wanted if for show. The WURST part was he said he might only use it once or twice...total attention whore stuff...
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Re: nitrous cb550
« Reply #69 on: August 10, 2012, 06:38:10 AM »
Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks like a wet kit.  If he starts with a lot of fuel and a bit of nitrous and goes from there, it should be possible to get it tuned without wrecking anything.

The bottom ends on these bikes are already very strong.  Rods might be a problem at 100hp, though.  I guess you don't have to do much more than throw a rod to start punching crap through the side of the motor...

Incidentally, nitrous oxide isn't oxygen mixed with liquid nitrogen, and they don't use it because O2 alone made too much heat.  If you pump pure O2 into the cylinder, you get severe detonation, because it's so reactive.  O2 would cool the charge as it goes from liquid to gas, same as N2O, but it makes it harder to control the timing of the ignition.

Nitrous oxide is its own compound, compressed to about 950psi, which keeps it liquid.  When it's released through the nozzle, it undergoes a phase transition that cools the charge.  When the combustion starts, the N2O breaks down into N2 and O2 (2 N2O molecules make 2 N2 and 1 O2 molecules).  The N2 is inert, the newly-released O2 is available to burn that extra fuel and generate more power.
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Re: nitrous cb550
« Reply #70 on: August 10, 2012, 06:38:45 AM »
total attention whore stuff...
Ha ha, well, he wouldn't be the first attention whore on a motorcycle, or on an internet forum. ;)
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« Reply #71 on: August 10, 2012, 08:38:05 AM »
That was something I read in an ancient  copy of popular hot rodding.
 

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« Reply #72 on: August 10, 2012, 09:42:29 AM »
That was something I read in an ancient  copy of popular hot rodding.
Sounds right. :)

BTW, my name is Phil and I was born in 71.  It's a bit eerie seeing someone here with that name. :)
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« Reply #73 on: August 10, 2012, 09:48:44 AM »
I was just in toronto too.. Glad we didn't run into each other or the universe implodes or something like that, right?

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Re: nitrous cb550
« Reply #74 on: August 10, 2012, 10:18:07 AM »
NOS on a bike isn't totally unheard of. I have NOS on my 95 VS1400. Granted I did a LOT of motor work to make sure it could handle it and even then it was a very small shot. I didn't do it to be a "attention whore"...I did it because I wanted to. I even went so far as to HIDE everything I could to indicate that I had NOS.

That being said would I do it again...F no. I blew a ton of money, time, and effort for roughly 50 additional HP and a feeling of "is this the time my engine cato's on me" every time I push the button. Does it prevent me from punching it...no because it's fun. Although not worth it in the long run.

I'm not going to jump into the camp of bashing this guy for wanting to induce questionable reliability and a possible life threatening endeavor because that's his prerogative. Different strokes for different folks.
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