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speedo ratio after wheel change, formula?
« on: February 23, 2012, 01:06:00 PM »
I have a 21 on my front now, with tire it is 27 1/2 inches tall. Can someone tell me what ratio tach speedo i would need now or point me in the direction of a formula.  thanks
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Re: Tach ratio after wheel change, formula?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2012, 01:34:30 PM »
the tach won't change. Its the speedo that changes. Other than that I can't help.
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Tach ratio after wheel change, formula?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2012, 01:35:26 PM »
Tachometers run off the cam shaft. Do you mean speedometer?

As for a ratio, it's easy as Pi ;-)
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Re: Tach ratio after wheel change, formula?
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2012, 01:45:05 PM »
lol, brain fart. yea i meant speedo. And Pi x / or ?
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Re: speedo ratio after wheel change, formula?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2012, 01:57:50 PM »
Hmmm you may have a problem finding a replacement gear drive. 21" is a common dirt bike wheel size so you could start there. Speedo calibration would also need to be considered. Alternatively there are electronic speedos commonly fitted to bicycles with a digital readout that can be fitted to the handle bar. They also include trip computer that logs max speed, averages, etc.
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2012, 02:03:53 PM »
Or just make a new speedo face. You know where 0 is. Use a GPS to get a few other interesting points.
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Re: speedo ratio after wheel change, formula?
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2012, 02:25:29 PM »
I changed from a 19 to an 18. My speed shop said they would recalibrate the instrument itslef, as I want to remain stock appearing.

Other than that I'd be all over an electronic one.
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Re: speedo ratio after wheel change, formula?
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2012, 02:40:49 PM »
What he wanted was the distance travelled by one revolution of the wheel. He would take it from thre.
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Re: speedo ratio after wheel change, formula?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2012, 02:53:06 PM »
What he wanted was the distance travelled by one revolution of the wheel. He would take it from thre.

That's easy! :)

Circumference=pd, so 86.35 inches

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Re: speedo ratio after wheel change, formula?
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2012, 03:39:02 PM »
Ratio would be the change in distance traveled per one revolution of the front wheel. With the larger wheel turning fewer times per mile, you will be looking for a ratio less than one.  So,

Distance traveled by old wheel will be 19xPi
Distance traveled by new wheel will be 21xPi
Ratio is old over new or 19xPi / 21xPi

Since Pi is in the numerator AND the denominator, it cancels itself leaving 19/21 or 0.905
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Re: speedo ratio after wheel change, formula?
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2012, 03:55:57 PM »
Ratio would be the change in distance traveled per one revolution of the front wheel. With the larger wheel turning fewer times per mile, you will be looking for a ratio less than one.  So,

Distance traveled by old wheel will be 19xPi
Distance traveled by new wheel will be 21xPi
Ratio is old over new or 19xPi / 21xPi

Since Pi is in the numerator AND the denominator, it cancels itself leaving 19/21 or 0.905

That's only the difference in the rim size, though.  Diameters in tires can vary quite a bit just within the same rim size.  When I switched from a metric equivalent size rear tire on my 750 to a standard size, the diameter increased by almost 2 inches.  If his 21" tire is low-profile, it may be pretty close to the same overall diameter as a stock tire on a stock rim.  He'll need to measure the difference between the two rims with the tires mounted. 

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Re: speedo ratio after wheel change, formula?
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2012, 04:27:33 PM »
If you compare a standard 3.25/19 54H tyre (D=665mm), to the OP's stated 27.5inch diameter (698mm), the front wheel will probably be turning approximately 5% slower than before, at any given roadspeed.

The trick is....how accurate the speedo readings were before........the GPS method is a good calibration check.....given the wild variations in speedo accuracy (engineered to over-read?), the speedo may now read a lot more accurately than before.

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Re: speedo ratio after wheel change, formula?
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2012, 04:28:07 PM »
Good point Gordon.  The GPS option I mentioned above would not only remove tire profile issues, it would also correct the "optomistic" nature of the stock Honda clock too.
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Re: speedo ratio after wheel change, formula?
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2012, 05:26:02 PM »
Thanks for all the info and ideas. Im going to run the speedo as is and then see how far off it is with gps, i assume it wont be much, in that case i may just keep it and remember to add a couple mph.

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Re: speedo ratio after wheel change, formula?
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2012, 01:39:54 PM »
FWIW, I have had a little bit of investigation about speedo drives, because I changed the wheel in one of my spanish-made bikes, and wanted to use a Yamaha speedo.

Mi findings -though they can hardly be extrapolated to every bike in the world- revealed that a 1974 CB350K4, a 1982 Yamaha XS400, and a 2002 Suzuki GSX-R1000 all have a drive that rotates 2.75 turns per turn of the wheel.

As you have been pointed out, rim size doesn't matter much, but tire size do. In Spain you can swap tires as long as the diameter differences doesn't exceed 3% -up or down-. With that limit you can't really use many alternatives, but what I have found when looking for alternatives is that most of the tires doesn't get much higher than 6% circunference deviation.

My impression is that, in many occasions, bike manufacturers simply count with that reading error, using the same speedo and drive with different size of tires, or in the worst case they would change the speedo to accomodate such deviation. Then comes the end-of-scale, but that wouldn't account much for the precision of the reading: you can use a 600cc bike speedo and a 250cc bike speedo with the same drive and wheel, and if your bike is travelling at 90 mph, both speedo would read 90, but one will be at full scale while the other will still have way to go.

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Re: speedo ratio after wheel change, formula?
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2012, 01:45:58 PM »
You can get that mount in a recent post to mount your iPhone with the app they talk about.  Uses GPS.  :) 

Then there is that bluetooth helmet to take calls and listen to tunes... hmmmmmm (that's for me)
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