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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #275 on: April 13, 2016, 06:31:01 PM »
They look good in blue too, but...your bike to enjoy whatever choice you make. The blue being less common than black or the red.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #276 on: April 13, 2016, 06:36:29 PM »
My gloss black ca72 showed up every spec of dust, but i liked it none the less.

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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #277 on: April 14, 2016, 01:51:39 PM »
A quick experiment with no prep and in the rain with Tremclad Fire Red spray paint. The round piece has the new paint on about the bottom third of it. Looks close.


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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #278 on: April 14, 2016, 04:52:26 PM »
That color is a solid match I would say.  Red being so transparent it is hard to find a good match when it is slightly off and another coat of paint shows it to not be quite as exact as you might have thought.  Given that the bike isn't going to be exposed to a lot of sun, looks like you have a good selection to go with.  Red paint has a nasty habit of fading and getting sun bleached. I imagine good paints today fight that better than those of 30 years ago, unless they used a good quality paint then.

It is interesting that several black paints, especially in spray bombs, will age to have a brown tint or a blue tint.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #279 on: April 14, 2016, 05:00:31 PM »
Sprayed some on an extra part. It may change when sprayed over grey primer. Look a bit orangey now but still a very nice colour. Cliff.

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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #280 on: April 14, 2016, 05:08:32 PM »
You're right and I do like red.




I like Red too! You've convinced me to paint my bike red too!!
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #281 on: April 17, 2016, 07:22:24 AM »
2 coats of Flame Red. The colour is close to the original but richer or fuller. Hard to describe. Should really pop in the sunshine but may disturb the purists.


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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #282 on: April 17, 2016, 07:18:57 PM »
It may just be a function of the gloss for the new paint. It is a nice looking color.
Heck, tell anyone who complains that their rose colored glasses need an adjustment.  Next they will tell you your motor is a 305 and then that you should upgrade it to twin carbs for more performance...
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Oh yeah, the red will look different if you use a red primer. Or, if you use a white or silver sealer coat beneath the color coats of the flame red.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #283 on: April 19, 2016, 10:01:26 PM »
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #284 on: April 20, 2016, 05:54:10 PM »
Almost a lipstick red on your favorite lady...
I think it looks good. How many coats of paint?
It seems to have a high solids.
What brand paint? Is it an enamel or acryllic latex or some other formulation?
Is the base inside the frame you are painting have some texture? Or, is the paint not building smoothly?
I like the color. BTW, how many cans do you expect it to take?

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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #285 on: April 20, 2016, 08:47:50 PM »
Hi!
2 coats of paint
It's Tremclad paint by Rustoleum
The inside of the fender is a mess and that's as smooth as I could get it without filler. 3 coats of primer on it.
I'm on my second spray can but will use a proper sprayer for the bigger pieces.
It is a nice colour!
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #286 on: April 23, 2016, 01:54:04 AM »
Rustoleum doesn't have Tremclad on their website...

http://www.rustoleum.com/product-catalog/consumer-brands/stops-rust/protective-enamel-spray
They have an Spray Enamel in Gloss Cherry, Sunrise Red, Carnival Red, Lobster Red, Regal Red, Burgundy, and Gloss Merlot


The Professional Enamel is available in two or three shades of red...

Sounds like you have a paint we don't get here...

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P.S. Just did a search on Tremclad by itself and I get a Canadian Rustoleum site...
http://www.rustoleum.ca/product-catalog/consumer-brands/tremclad/rust-paint/rust-paint-spray
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #287 on: April 23, 2016, 08:43:17 AM »
Hmm. Didn't know Tremclad was only available here. http://tremclad.ca/ Frustrating for you. With so may reds hopefully one by Rustoleum will be close to matching. Cliff.

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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #288 on: April 23, 2016, 07:01:07 PM »
Appears to be an oil based paint...so many of our enamels here are friendly versions and some of the enamels are an acryllic enamel and many are moving to that stupid primer & paint formulation.
I think here you get the oil based enamels in the cans only.  The spray is a match for the canned stuff but that variety is the old paint and not as many color selections.

I want a Parrakeet Yellow as cheap as the Rustoleum cans so I can redo a honda C70 ('81)  The new repop side covers and a new fender run you $80 from DrATV.

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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #289 on: April 23, 2016, 08:21:06 PM »
Who where is DrATV? Have to Google him. Cliff. Ha!  He has stuff for my CM90! Thanks!
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #290 on: April 23, 2016, 11:37:30 PM »
www.DrATV.com is in Nebraska I believe.  He also sells on ebay.  Great source for small bikes up through about 125cc. Used to sell Lifan motors but I am not sure if he still is... He does sell compatible Lifan parts that bolt up to some of the bikes (same size displacement).  Good source for lots and lots of stuff.

He lists a CM91, but not a CM90...  The CM91 being like a C70 cub but with a 90cc motor...

http://dratv.com/allcmpaw.html

Their address is:
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #291 on: July 09, 2016, 09:23:43 PM »
I'm amazed how clean you were able to get the twins, and the bike looks great.  I'm trying to decide whether to dig into 'restoring' the CA95 I inherited -- 250 miles on it, runs great, and most paint is good, but some rust popping up in a few areas -- was stored in a garage in NYC with salt.  Would love to know how people are getting the engines looking so good. 

I am missing two original parts -- the round saucer cover on the left side of the frame over the air cleaner -- got lost in Dad's garage somehow -- maybe thrown out since about the same size as paint can top, and the original petcock, which was rusted from bad fuel left in the tank for years.

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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #292 on: July 16, 2016, 08:14:01 PM »
The part you seek shows up on ebay every now and then. It is the filter cover and tool set holder.
I had to obtain one for my bike. But, I was not patient enough and overpaid. I would encourage you to check with the VJMC email members (free to join) to see if you can find one cheaper than ebay. If you are a bike flipper or rebuild and sell lots of them I am for some reason less willing to help those guys. Something about that seems disagreeable to me. Bill Silvers is on VJMC and he's well published and puts out requests for parts all the time for bikes he builds to sell or that people come to him for restoration. He used to do primarily the 305cc Hawks but now he does lots of other Hondas. Something about him or his flipping does appeal to me, so I don't respond to his parts requests and often ignore his posts. You can get the VJMC in a digest daily or weekly mode and traffic is not heavy, so it won't be stuffing your inbox.
I don't have a spare or I would sell you the spare.y

I believe they look so good because they are given a very thorouch cleaning and degreasing and repainted and side covers are either polished or repainted.
If the motor is torn down it is easier to paint or powder coat the parts and reassemble. Especially is you want to do a multicolor motor to highlight pieces or have the cooling fins black on the cylinders. Multicolor on assembled motors can be done just requires a good masking job to separate the parts which are not to be painted the color you are doing. Similar to the SOHC motors the aluminum used wasn't really great quality so many times attempts at polishing can provide mixed results if trying to achieve a mirror polish. The CA95 being older than the majority of the SOHC bikes can make it less likely to have good reslts polishing. Try it, you may not have a problem..if it polishes nicely great vcontinue down that path. So stock the cases and motors were painted for same reason most of the SOHC bikes were. If I recall correctly Cliff did a nice job polishing his outer covers and few other parts. Cliff does nice work.

As far as the petcock, lots are worn out and rebuilds don't work and they are VERY expensive if the rebuild kit doesn't work. Adapter plates to fit either a Pingel or other petcock are used. You can make your own plate if you are handy an either fit a turned on lathe adapter or just a heavy plate and gasket to seal to the tank and then drill and tap for a plumbing fitting to secure leak free to the plate. Then you can fit a petcock to that threaded fitting with the sock filter go into the tank. Or, use the petcocks with filter bowl to trap anything from reaching the carb. Another option is to go with the petcock that screws into a threaded hole, then you tap it for the threads you cut into the plate. The plate can be cut and dressed with grinder or files and drilled and tapped for the petcock or the plumbing fitting. A drill press makes it easier but, you can do it with a drill if you are careful with your drilling.
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Re: Magpie's 1964/1965 Benly 150 Twin Project
« Reply #293 on: July 17, 2016, 03:24:10 AM »
The main problem with the petcock on these bikes is that the three mounting bolts rust into the tank and often need drilling out.
The 5mm JIS bolts are near impossible to replace but the holes can be tapped to take a slightly larger size.
I have used rebuild kits for Benlys and Dreams and they work quite well and are usually only a problem if the petcock body has corroded.
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