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Bosch H4 conversion - done with pictures
« on: May 26, 2012, 05:28:59 PM »
I was looking for a Tri-Bar H4 conversion but during my research I started reading up on the Bosch European Motorcycle conversion P/N 0 301 600 118. I just ordered one so we will see. Here is some great info. Apparently they like to use them in VW Bus'
http://www.ratwell.com/technical/BoschH4.html







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Re: Bosch H4 conversion.
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2012, 01:41:41 PM »
Just changed this thread from a tri-bar thread to a Bosch MC H4  thread...

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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2012, 02:50:53 PM »
Just changed this thread from a tri-bar thread to a Bosch MC H4  thread...
If you're referring to the Bosch H4 reflectors that Candlepower is selling, they're great. I've installed four of them in various bikes. The beam pattern and coverage is outstanding.

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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2012, 05:23:52 PM »
Just changed this thread from a tri-bar thread to a Bosch MC H4  thread...
If you're referring to the Bosch H4 reflectors that Candlepower is selling, they're great. I've installed four of them in various bikes. The beam pattern and coverage is outstanding.

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Re: Bosch H4 conversion.
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2012, 07:09:11 PM »
My experience with converting DOT sealed beams to European H4s in cars has been positive and much superior lighting.  Just don't overload your stator output with too high a wattage bulb or your Battery won't be happy with the lower charging levels.
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2012, 07:25:22 PM »
what do you consider to be a to high wattage bulb? I have some  Philips X-treme Power H4 12V 60/55W.



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Re: Bosch H4 conversion.
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2012, 07:48:55 PM »
I wouldn't want to go higher than 60/55W ...what's so special about those bulbs? That's a standard auto wattage ..
I used to run 80/100w h4s (Cibie glass lenses eurospec  H4s) in my cars. The better optics controlled the beam pattern with little scattering and sharp cutoffs on the beam pattern so it could be aimed below most people's side mirrors and not blind opposing traffic or someone in front of you.
You want to run relays and heavier wires for the headlamp. It makes a noticeable difference.
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2012, 08:11:19 PM »
I took a look at my Candlepower unit that Stu mentions. While the $47.99 Candlepower unit I have been using for ~ 10 years is a great improvement it is different than the pictures in BrandEn's link show. My Candlepower unit has a CPi logo molded into the front center of the lens. It also has an arrow molded on the lens pointing to the right and it says motorcycle. Motorcycle specific manufacture. Without taking my headlight unit apart on my ALMOST completed restore I'm thinking I'm running the 60/55 bulb. And yes, my old electrical (NOS electricals now and ALMOST finished electrical system) system was taxed BUT in speaking with Dyna they feel that problem is mainly associated with my 3ohm coils. Of course, the bulb would further tax a weakened system. The 60/55 is a BIG improvement anyway. BrandEn if you decide to try a larger bulb please document before/afters with stock, H4 60/55 and H4 BMF.
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2012, 08:53:03 PM »
Anyone got a picture of how they plugged that Candlepower unit into the headlight ring?  I have one waiting in my basement but for the life of me, can't figure out how the tabs line up.   :-[
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2012, 09:06:00 PM »
I've been running a Bosch H4 conversion with a 55/60 watt bulb on my 750 since 1979. 8)
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2012, 09:56:28 PM »
Will a sealed beam auto round lamp fit our bikes? I'm thinking the 6024 bulb if I recall the number correctly,  reason I ask is the Sylvania/Philips Xtravision model has the 55/60w bulb in an improved optics package that is like the Euro H4 but with a flat cutoff pattern (horizontally) without the "finger " of the pattern lighting the right shoulder for us Americans driving on the right side of the road. So it is a motorcycle and car friendly pattern if it works in the headlight bucket. Not quite as good as a real H4 with glass lens but nearly as good for about 12$.  FWIW
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2012, 10:54:24 PM »
Anyone got a picture of how they plugged that Candlepower unit into the headlight ring?  I have one waiting in my basement but for the life of me, can't figure out how the tabs line up.   :-[

How/what do you mean?
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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2012, 07:21:17 AM »
B,  I have been running this on the 915 for the past year, works great and I picked it up at baxters auto.

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2012, 07:36:49 AM »
I've been running a Bosch H4 conversion with a 55/60 watt bulb on my 750 since 1979. 8)

+1. Step into the light.  ;D

My wife rode a 400F for many years and honestly that small sealed beam was useless. She always rode behind so my 750 would light the way. When I finally finished her 550 I installed one in it and she was more excited about the headlight than the new ride. Do install relays and heavier +12V wire.

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Re: Bosch H4 conversion.
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2012, 11:13:00 PM »
You can install a LED compatible electronic flasher and convert to wide viewing angle LED bulbs and lower the turn and brake light load on the electrics and have brighter bulbs with modern LEDs.
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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2012, 05:29:23 AM »
Anyone got a picture of how they plugged that Candlepower unit into the headlight ring?  I have one waiting in my basement but for the life of me, can't figure out how the tabs line up.   :-[

How/what do you mean?

I'll try to snap a few pics tonight.
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2012, 11:02:37 AM »
Good, I have a spare I can use for help.
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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2012, 05:44:51 PM »
I drew this up. Does this look right? Almost seems to easy. Thanks for any comments on this.



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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2012, 08:13:58 PM »
Anyone got a picture of how they plugged that Candlepower unit into the headlight ring?  I have one waiting in my basement but for the life of me, can't figure out how the tabs line up.   :-[

It should be simple. Maybe you have the wrong headlight bulb?
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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2012, 09:28:23 AM »
I think you will need 2 relays (one for each beam). I found a wiring diagram online and wired mine with 2 relays.
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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2012, 09:38:29 AM »
If you have a 55/60 bulb in there you should not really need relays for a 750, that is what is on there stock.
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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2012, 10:55:45 AM »
Needed? No not really. But I want to get what I can out of my parts. Relay ads that for full h4 potential!

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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2012, 11:34:19 AM »
The relays are more for taking the strain off of the old switch gear and old wiring.
Brighter output due to full power is a bonus.
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« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2012, 04:59:11 PM »
Anyone got a picture of how they plugged that Candlepower unit into the headlight ring?  I have one waiting in my basement but for the life of me, can't figure out how the tabs line up.   :-[

It should be simple. Maybe you have the wrong headlight bulb?

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Re: Bosch H4 conversion- REVIEW my wiring diagram
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2012, 05:17:49 PM »
BrandEn, as always I'm a few steps behind you guys and I'll be watching. I've been running mine direct - no relay. My understanding WAS that the relay is a switch protector. The left side switch is not available from Honda (75/76F) so that may be a good idea if only for that reason.
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Re: Bosch H4 conversion- REVIEW my wiring diagram
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2012, 08:56:45 PM »
Two relays are preferred because of how the bulb works...both high and low beam will be on when you are on high. The relays will allow the current through the switch to be lower so you don't need to clean the switch as often and you wont have any excess wear from higher voltage.

Take a 14-16 ga wire with 20A  fuse near battery to the headlight bucket.
Terminal 30 is the relay's power input...this connects to your new wire from the battery positive terminal.

Terminal 87 is your relay's power output...this connects to your headlamp's respective high beam and low beam, using two relays...one of the relays has terminal 87 powering the high beam and one relay has terminal 87 powering the low beam.
Alternative connection for Terminal 30 is from the voltage regulator Positive output... With our bikes the connection is rather short to the battery and it can be easier to tap into the battery directly or at the fuse box...  What ever you choose to get the positive from you are going to want to fuse it immediately after picking up that connection to your power source.
Take this time to find and clean every ground connection on the bike and put some dielectric grease over the connection after you have cleaned it to bare metal and removed any trace of oxidation that is seen.  Brass brush works well for this, battery disconnected of course. If you have rust, then you may need something a bit more aggressive. A coating of dielectric grease keeps the air out so you block oxidation of that connection.

Terminal 86 is your relay switch input, this is from your original headlamp wiring, if you want to have it return to stock one day (don't know why you would...) then connect a blade quick disconnect into the high or low beam feed wire that goes on the socket on the back of the headlamp.  These drive your relay's switch...
The output of the relay's switch is terminal 85 and that returns to ground. Choose to use either the closest ground or use the negative terminal feed from the headlamp...but I really advise against using that wire...you need an equally large return to ground as the gauge wiring used for the feed side of the power (+ terminal).

Connect the new Positive feed line from your voltage source to terminal 30 of both relays with that 20A fuse in the wiring right after you pick up the new positive voltage run.   On cars you pull a lot more current and I would run high powered bulbs and use 10 ga wire, really overkill, or 12 ga at the minimum...depending on the wattage I intend to operate at and I would use 30A relays.  A good relay is worth the money.  Since you don't want a relay failure in a curve or other area at speed on a dark night it is worth spending more than the $2.50 for a cheap relay.  I favor the Hella relays, they are reliable and easily found. They have more expensive ceramic base relay designs that are designed for high current systems.  We aren't dealing with those currents on our bikes. A 20A relay more than handles our lighting needs.
Having a larger than needed wire doesn't hurt, having too small a wire leads to voltage drops which you are trying to fix/avoid.

Run a 14-16 ga wire from terminal 87 of both relays to the terminals on the socket for the H4... as mentioned, one from 87 to low beam and the other relay output terminal 87 to the high beam.
The ground is important as I mentioned...

You do need to clean your grounds to spotless conditions and tie into the closest ground if you opt for that method of getting the ground. (often under a coil on frame, the coil tower post, or under the seat...)
I always was of the opinion if your + feed needs to be at least 16 ga. then the return to ground needs to be equal to that gauge.  Some slight gains may be seen going up to a high quality wire that is high count multi-strand wire one size larger than minimum needed.
For a 550 the charging system is mediocre or low output so, you can't expect to run a high wattage bulb in a H4 lamp setup.  Stock lamps were what? 35W.  So the 55W is pushing the system a bit already.  Going with a LED bulb even running lower wattage benefits from the addition of relays as you minimize the resistance and voltage drop of the stock wiring.

Check for voltage from the battery with your + input of your meter (red probe) (VOLTAGE SETTING, never current) and the other probe (black probe) to your High beam input on the back of the bulb or the Low beam input on the back of the bulb.  Write those values down.  This is the voltage loss of the wiring on the positive side of the circuit.  Go from the - terminal of the bulb with your red probe of your voltmeter and connect the negative probe (black lead) to the battery's negative terminal...
Write down that value.  Add the two values your obtained and this is your total voltage loss of the wiring circuit. Check these same readings after you have installed your relays...this will let you see the improvement.

According to Hella's tests a halogen bulb in a automobile for the European point of view is more conservative than what Americans typically use..  They consider full voltage to the lamp to be 13.2V typically with the car running.  13.2v to be "100%" of lamp's output.  (14V is the upper limit of voltage and higher voltages leads to dramatically shortened bulb life for a halogen bulb.) The loss curve is the same, though. When operating voltage drops to 95 percent (12.54v), headlamp bulbs produce only 83 percent of their rated light output. When voltage drops to 90 percent (11.88v), bulb output is only 67 percent of what it should be. And when voltage drops to 85 percent (11.22v), bulb output is a paltry 53 percent of normal!

Your voltage should be higher with the relay in the circuit and your voltage loss numbers should be lower.
Enjoy your new light!
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« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2012, 09:29:49 PM »
I think it would be interesting to see the light output difference between with relay and without. The 55/60W H4 should be plug and play. The Bosch H4 lens should be motorcycle specific for the correct light pattern and fitment into the headlight ring.
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« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2012, 11:09:30 AM »
An hid  bulb will draw about 10 amps at startup then settle down to 3 or 4 amps. An h4 should be fine with a 7 or 8 amp fuse. My 750 k1 uses a 15 amp fuse for the whole bike. A 20 amp fuse is too big.
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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2012, 03:59:22 PM »
So today I got my Bosch Motorcycle H4 conversion finished. I ended up using two relays and used the diagram Steve F posted in another thread. I mounted the relays in my tool tray and routed the wires in front of my battery. I ran power and ground directly from the battery. I installed a fuse in the unused space in my blade fuse holder. I also cleaned up my wiring and finally got around to making mount brackets for my fuse box and reg/rec. The Bosch fits in my aftermarket bucket PERFECT. The conversion does take up a bit more room and sits deeper in the bucket than the old sealed beam. Its WAY brighter! I can't wait to test it out at night.


 


















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« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2012, 04:05:28 PM »
Nice , clean wiring . I ordered the housings from Skylightguy . Just waiting for them to arrive . Do you think you could fit the relays in the bucket with the beam ? Id rather have them there . I want to run a new fused feed from the battery to the bucket for the relays and put a relay under the tank for the coils as well (3Ω Dyna) to save the kill and key switch .
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« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2012, 04:08:36 PM »
I could probably have stuffed them in there but it would have been TIGHT. I would not have been satisfied. I had to carefully burrow a space in the center of my wiring for the reflector to nestle into. If you have a bigger bucket than I do it would be a better fit.