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Re: Orange Flake Update - We got Orange!
« Reply #75 on: August 04, 2012, 06:09:33 PM »
I kinda like the orange disco ball...

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Re: Orange Flake Update - We got Orange!
« Reply #76 on: August 04, 2012, 06:42:06 PM »
I kinda like the orange disco ball...

Yeah, me too.  I would like to have it on a frame like the California beach cruising bikes.

Check this out.
Flakes on beach cruiser frame

Best part it is super easy to do.  Spray clear blow some flake on and bury in clear.  Don't level flake leave standing up for all the disco effect.
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Re: Orange Flake Update - We got Orange!
« Reply #77 on: August 05, 2012, 12:39:46 PM »
So where do I send mine?

Me too!  Looks like you have entered pro status...
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Re: Orange Flake Update - We got Orange!
« Reply #78 on: August 05, 2012, 06:56:46 PM »
So where do I send mine?

Me too!  Looks like you have entered pro status...

Thanks Steve, and to everyone for all your tips and help on this!  There is alot more to automotive painting then point and shoot.  I really have learned alot over the past two weeks and feel it was worth the investment of time and energy.

A couple tips for those who are attempting to work with flake, candy, or the silver metallic.

1. Understand how your paint flows.  Put a little in the gun pull the trigger with no air and see how it runs out.  Metallic base, and candy will flow like 2% milk.  Primmer will not flow so good.  You will need to wet sand to 600 grit.

2.  Learn how to adjust your spray gun and test it to see how it sprays on a big board.  I used a junk 4 x 8 sheet of plywood.  I had to paint all those legs and the backside of my shed before getting the hang of things.

3. The Harbor freight detail siphon gun with a marble has a 1.5 tip and works great for flake.  Make sure you only mix up a few oz at a time, or you will make a mess that can drip on your work.

4.  One pass with the siphon gun 1.5 tip with the EBC-500 50/50 mix with reducer is enough to match original flake sparkle.  Add a second for more bling effect.

5.  For a more subdued look shoot base silver metallic, flake, and a quick clear coat.  Let dry overnight and wet sand very carefully with 600 grit.  I did not do this as I wanted to see how it would look and like a little more flash.

6. Flake give shine from standing on end.  Knock it down for less sparkle, or lay it out thick flake buster style for a 10 out of 10 on the bling meter.  My tank is about a 7 or so on the bling scale.  I wanted it to really pop, and I did not sand in between just tacked off with a clean rag to knock down the worst ones standing up.

7.  EBC-500 or any intercoat clears are only good to up to 4 coats or so at which point you will get runs.  Make sure you let the flake coat and candy coat flash out before applying the second coat.

8. A good way to mix candy for silver base coats is to find a shinny crescent wrench which is a pretty good match to your base coat and apply a couple drops on and see what you got.  Then add more concentrate to get a color you like.  It will not go darker than the drop.  I like the concentrate as it lets you get the color that works best for you.  You can't do this will premix.

9.  You know you are getting close when your orange looks orange in the shade and lights up in the sun.

10.  Don't expect to be able to match 40 year old faded paint perfectly.  Find a part of the tank or side cover that has not faded and match to that.

11.  Read you tech data sheets or get ready to do some crying.  They are simple math.

12. Wear proper safety equipment this stuff is nasty especially the clear or anything with hardener in it.

13. When painting a tank have a method like bottom first, sides next, front, then top and stick to it.  Never bring the gun around the corner it is way too hard to control how your are putting the paint on.

14.  Find a gun you like and practice with it every chance you get.  For all tank I went with the 20 oz from Harbor Freight low psi version with the brase knobs.  It has a decent fan pattern and offers good control.

15.  Have a separate gun for primmer.  You got to wet sand to 600 for candy anyway.  They need a super smooth surface to come out right.

16.  The coating store has good stuff cheap.

So this is what I have learned in my two weeks of paint boot camp.  If I left something out just ask.

I look forward seeing a bunch of blingtastic tanks and side covers soon.
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Re: Orange Flake Final Thoughts pg4. Thanks to everyone!
« Reply #79 on: August 05, 2012, 07:58:18 PM »
Great tips, Chew, thanks.

One question, did you buff the clear?

My K5 came with a fair rattle can paint job full of orange peel.  It was block sanded, shot with clear, buffed to a brilliant shine and looks great now.
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Re: Orange Flake Final Thoughts pg4. Thanks to everyone!
« Reply #80 on: August 05, 2012, 08:40:11 PM »
Great tips, Chew, thanks.

One question, did you buff the clear?

My K5 came with a fair rattle can paint job full of orange peel.  It was block sanded, shot with clear, buffed to a brilliant shine and looks great now.

No I haven't cut or buffed yet I am waiting a few days or so for clear to cure. 

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Re: Orange Flake Final Thoughts pg4. Thanks to everyone!
« Reply #81 on: August 06, 2012, 06:06:30 AM »
Nice work Chewy, keep it up. Great tips! What ya gonna do with all those tanks? :)
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Re: Orange Flake Final Thoughts pg4. Thanks to everyone!
« Reply #82 on: August 06, 2012, 10:26:00 AM »
Nice work Chewy, keep it up. Great tips! What ya gonna do with all those tanks? :)

Thanks glad to hear this is helping someone.  I have 5 CB750 thart need shinny tanks which leaves a couple others I might sell painted or primmed.

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Re: Orange Flake Take 1 w/Pics!
« Reply #83 on: August 06, 2012, 10:33:09 AM »
Bling bling....looks good. Takes a real man to admit using Martha Stewart products!

He didn't though, he's using Marta Steward ::)
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Re: Orange Flake Take 1 w/Pics!
« Reply #84 on: August 06, 2012, 11:48:45 AM »
Bling bling....looks good. Takes a real man to admit using Martha Stewart products!

He didn't though, he's using Marta Steward ::)
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Re: Orange Flake Final Thoughts pg4. Thanks to everyone!
« Reply #85 on: August 06, 2012, 02:08:15 PM »
Chewy, to clarify... the playing around w/Martha's flake has passed and you are now using the Roth Metal Flake in what size?
Plus the House of Kolor Tangerine Orange dye to make your own Orange Candy by mixing with the EBC-500 clear or Intercoat clears. The EBC is a PPG product?
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Re: Orange Flake Final Thoughts pg4. Thanks to everyone!
« Reply #86 on: August 06, 2012, 06:19:19 PM »
Chewy, to clarify... the playing around w/Martha's flake has passed and you are now using the Roth Metal Flake in what size?
Plus the House of Kolor Tangerine Orange dye to make your own Orange Candy by mixing with the EBC-500 clear or Intercoat clears. The EBC is a PPG product?
thanks!
David

Ok, first question I am using the smallest flake available from Roth which is .004".  I have seen .002 ultra micro flake on Ebay, but was impressed with Roth's years of experience with metal falke so I went with that.

You probablly could get the Martha Steward stuff to work if you shoot a coat of clear and sand with 600.  To me saving 10 bucks is not worth taking a chance.

EBC500 is a generic version of PPGs DBC-500 available through thecoatingstore on Ebay only.  I think they are currently sold out though.  You can get real DBC500 for a few bucks more from a paint supplier under the name shop line brand.

As for the tangerine concentrate I am not sure, but I think it is a combination of dyes and pearls.  You always mix DBC500 50/50 with the appropriate reducer which is nice because you get alot.  You then add the tangerine concentrate.

I like the concentrate because I can pick the intensity of the orange anywhere from lollipop candy orange to a very dark orange.

If you are unsure about mixing candy I would just order the flake from rothmetalflake and order EyeKandy Kandy Paint Motorcycle Paint Kit select tangerine from the drop down menu.  You will get a few quart enough to do the job twice.  It helps to have a junk tank to practice on too.

When buying candy make sure it is dark enough.  You are painting over silver so a light candy concentrate won't get you there.

Did I answer your question?
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Re: Orange Flake Final Thoughts pg4. Thanks to everyone!
« Reply #87 on: August 06, 2012, 11:13:21 PM »
Yes, thank you so much...a few points you brought up in the reply were new and time savers as well as great starting knowledge points. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience. It really helps those of us whom would like to tackle the Sunrise Flake Orange stock color on our less than original bikes.

 Sounds like there is a market with the SOHC/4 world for good painters that can turn out consistent results with candy paints. The risk with a candy having a run can be high so, it is a paint job that might be a little higher priced because of the risk of needing to start over.
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Re: Orange Flake Final Thoughts pg4. Thanks to everyone!
« Reply #88 on: August 07, 2012, 04:54:05 AM »

Yes, thank you so much...a few points you brought up in the reply were new and time savers as well as great starting knowledge points. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience. It really helps those of us whom would like to tackle the Sunrise Flake Orange stock color on our less than original bikes.

Sounds like there is a market with the SOHC/4 world for good painters that can turn out consistent results with candy paints. The risk with a candy having a run can be high so, it is a paint job that might be a little higher priced because of the risk of needing to start over.

Yeah I asked one guy and he just groaned at the word candy paint.  Unless your an old school pro like Lenny from Kustom Kolor Kraft here in Syracuse it's tough to find someone who will do a good job and not want $600 bucks.

He helped me out alot with his tips and I am happy to pass them on.

Other than runs the exact color match is a challenge and new paint is going to look well new.  To get close you need to take a good hard look between each coat. 

It's tough to match faded patina.  Many members seem to perfer the faded looks as it can't be duplicated. 

Good luck and post some pics with your progress.  We want to see them.

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Re: Orange Flake Take 1 w/Pics!
« Reply #89 on: August 07, 2012, 05:48:53 PM »
It was 400 micron flake I sprayed through the same nozzle I do all my painting with.

I am an artist. I would try sprinkling it on like food seasoning... to my taste. LOL..lol

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Re: Orange Flake Final Thoughts pg4. Thanks to everyone!
« Reply #90 on: August 07, 2012, 06:41:54 PM »
Very timely post as I'm headed in exactly the same paint direction this weekend. TY for the lessons learned.
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Re: Orange Flake Take 1 w/Pics!
« Reply #91 on: August 07, 2012, 07:22:00 PM »
It was 400 micron flake I sprayed through the same nozzle I do all my painting with.

I am an artist. I would try sprinkling it on like food seasoning... to my taste. LOL..lol


Mmm Seasoning!  Makes me want to grill a steak and throw some Montreal Steak Seasoning on it.  But really I think this would work too.  Lucky, if you have any pics of your paint jobs I'd love to see them.

Thanks for the laugh.

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Re: Orange Flake Final Thoughts pg4. Thanks to everyone!
« Reply #92 on: August 07, 2012, 07:23:26 PM »
Very timely post as I'm headed in exactly the same paint direction this weekend. TY for the lessons learned.

Good luck and be sure to post some pics!

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Re: Orange Flake - Update Flake & Metallic Together
« Reply #93 on: August 12, 2012, 03:41:58 PM »
I decided to get over my sulking over the dropped right side oil cover by doing a little painting, and what I found prompted this update.  The silver metallic paint from the coating store flows so well that adding 1 to 1.25 grams per ounce works out well in a HVLP gun with a 1.4 tip and close to 40 PSI.  You need to experiment with PSI to get the proper atomization of the paint.

The metal flake with the base needs a little more PSI for atomization and to prevent clumps.  Make sure you sake the gun from pass to pass and turn upside down to have keep the metallic from clumping.

I am very happy with how the flake is going down nice and smooth.  Much less over-spray than a siphon gun with is nice because this paint is nasty even with safety gear.

I also tried the nice little HVLP detail gun with the 1 mm tip for the clear and was very happy.  It went down good enough and saves on materials.  I mixed 5 oz for the protective barrier and only used about 2.

This will allow me to color sand the silver base with 600 to 800 grit to get it super smooth which makes it easier to get the candy uniform.  It should also knock down flakes giving a more subdued look (Less bling bling).

A couple of pics with the silver base coat and metallic flake shot together with a coat of urethane.  If you stare hard enough you will see a couple flakes standing up on end.  Much smoother.  The urethane might add a layer of depth as well?

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Re: Orange Flake - Update Flake & Metallic Together
« Reply #94 on: August 12, 2012, 06:41:34 PM »
Gonna have to paint a matching tank for those nice even side covers...
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Re: Orange Flake - Update Flake & Metallic Together
« Reply #95 on: August 12, 2012, 06:48:14 PM »
Gonna have to paint a matching tank for those nice even side covers...

Yeah I know tell me about it.  No way they will match the bling factor of the metal flake / interbase clear using a siphon sprayer.  O well this is more about learning than anything else, and I have done plenty of that.  Man I hope they still sparkle like the tank!

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Re: Orange Flake - Update Flake & Metallic Together
« Reply #96 on: August 12, 2012, 07:03:05 PM »
No go with the painter yet mate, he's out of town for a couple of weeks... ;)
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Re: Orange Flake - Update Flake & Metallic Together
« Reply #97 on: August 12, 2012, 07:13:55 PM »
No go with the painter yet mate, he's out of town for a couple of weeks... ;)

Thanks Mick!  No need to contact your painter friend 1 to 1.25 grams per ounce of silver metallic paint is working out good with 1.4 tip.  Just got to keep shaking it and make sure your pressure is high enough to atomize the paint.

Thanks for posting the original recipe.  I might post a one or two page write up and do some videos if I get a couple good days in a row with time off.  Slim chance, but who knows.

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Re: Orange Flake - Update Flake & Metallic Together
« Reply #98 on: August 12, 2012, 10:31:30 PM »
Cool, good to see you getting a handle on it.... ;)
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Re: Orange Flake - Update Flake & Metallic Together
« Reply #99 on: August 13, 2012, 04:47:30 PM »
Gonna have to paint a matching tank for those nice even side covers...


Feast your eyes on this!  Pretty good match if  I do say so myself.  The whole key is knowing when to stop.  I have to literally pull myself away and put down the paint gun.  One more drop past the perfect moment and no joy.