Topic: Drugs in the USA

[Duke McDukiedook]

My solution to my medical problem is to beg my wife to let me marry a Canadian. 

[Bob Wessner]

My solution to my medical problem is to beg my wife to let me marry a Canadian. 

 

[70CB750]

Another major problem is the drug companies "sponsoring" doctors, throwing money at them to promote their drugs, that in itself is a multi million dollar industry that should be outlawed....  There are a lot of people taking drugs that really shouldn't and another large portion that , with small changes to lifestyle, could be drug free as well... Its also illegal here to advertise prescription drugs on TV..
Did you know that American kids are the most medicated in the world {American's are the most medicated people on earth}....Start the dependence young and you've got them for life....    The drug companies really need to be reined in....

That is a fact. The market of sick people is saturated with medication and pharmaceutical companies are trying to create new markets fromthe healthy population. Or home pets - anybody who pays.

[Goofaroo]

The moral? IF a politician did manage to propose meaningful changes to our system,
he would not be in office long.

Isn't that our own damned fault? 

As an example, when I was born in 1967, I was born premature.  Less than 4 lbs.   Stayed in the

hospital a month.  Most of it in ICU.   The total bill:  $3017    My mom still has the receipt framed on the wall of their house as they used to joke that I

the most expensive baby in all of Michigan.

My son was born premature and under 4 pounds in 1995. At the time I worked as a tool and die maker and the health insurance I had cost me about $230 a month to cover my family.

When my wife suspected she was pregnant and went to the doctor there was a $5 copayment.  That covered that condition which included the birth and subsequent treatment of my son.  He was in the intensive care for 1 month, had developed hydracephalus which required shunt placement by a pediatric neurosurgeon, and home visits and monitoring from a nurse until he was about a year old. All of this was covered under the $5 copayment.  That was 17 years ago.  I shudder to think what it would cost me to have the same thing happen today.

Another major problem is the drug companies "sponsoring" doctors, throwing money at them to promote their drugs, that in itself is a multi million dollar industry that should be outlawed....  There are a lot of people taking drugs that really shouldn't and another large portion that , with small changes to lifestyle, could be drug free as well... Its also illegal here to advertise prescription drugs on TV..
Did you know that American kids are the most medicated in the world {American's are the most medicated people on earth}....Start the dependence young and you've got them for life....    The drug companies really need to be reined in....

Yep.  That is not the entire problem by any means but it is certainly one of the ugly aspects of our health system.  We have a serious problem here with prescription drug abuse.  My wife is a teacher and every year the school has at least a couple of suicides. They are almost always kids that have been abusing prescription drugs.  On top of that, they get them from their parents. The parents are taking so many pills that they don't even notice that the kids are stealing them.  Then, when they run out, they just stop by by the pharmacy, pay their $30 copayment, the pharmacy bills the insurance company the remaining $280, then the third party billing service.....................

 

[Retro Rocket]

With my wife and my 2 kids, the only one that takes any meds is myself and those are immuno suppressants, I have no choice, I have to take them for the rest of my life, but i'm lucky and only take one type once a day, my kids are 21 and 23 and have never even had antibiotics, not once. It may sound weird but i'm kind of proud of that...

[seanbarney41]

... Its also illegal here to advertise prescription drugs on TV..

that is a perfect example of how screwed the American health care system is.  I personally don't even own a television, but come on, why should a prescription drug or even a hospital be advertising?

[demon78]

RR you should be, they may be the ones that survive the next major health crisis because they haven't been spoiled by being over antibioticked.
As far as drugs go we are starting to get them advertised on TV and not just the wave from the states, I really think that's is the #$%*s, but I'm old and crotchety.
Bill the demon.
 

[74cb750]

RR you should be, they may be the ones that survive the next major health crisis because they haven't been spoiled by being over antibioticked.
As far as drugs go we are starting to get them advertised on TV and not just the wave from the states, I really think that's is the #$%*s, but I'm old and crotchety.
Bill the demon.
 

That's one thing that bothers me, WHY are drug manufacturers advertizing drugs on television that
require a presciption?

[70CB750]

RR you should be, they may be the ones that survive the next major health crisis because they haven't been spoiled by being over antibioticked.
As far as drugs go we are starting to get them advertised on TV and not just the wave from the states, I really think that's is the #$%*s, but I'm old and crotchety.
Bill the demon.
 

That's one thing that bothers me, WHY are drug manufacturers advertizing drugs on television that
require a presciption?

Push/pull marketing.  Patients ask the doctor for it.

[74cb750]

Can't believe I am going to ask this:

What happens IF I renounce my American citizenship (since 1987)?

IS my Canadian citizenship reinstated?
Can I still live here In Vermont, USA?
Be out-of USA for so many days/year?
Do I have to have a residence in Canada?

I feel it is a sad commentary on the drug problem in the USA
when regular folks, whom have contributed to the the USA
are forced by financial considerations to even think about doing this.

peace,
michel

[dusterdude]

The government will give you money to start your own business and you wont have to pay taxes for a 100 years

[74cb750]

The government will give you money to start your own business and you wont have to pay taxes for a 100 years

That is Only if you already have tons of $ and plead to hire x number of workers for X number of years,
and the tax abatement is only for 5 or so years.

[K5 Keith]

Can't believe I am going to ask this:

What happens IF I renounce my American citizenship (since 1987)?

IS my Canadian citizenship reinstated?
Can I still live here In Vermont, USA?
Be out-of USA for so many days/year?
Do I have to have a residence in Canada?

I feel it is a sad commentary on the drug problem in the USA
when regular folks, whom have contributed to the the USA
are forced by financial considerations to even think about doing this.

peace,
michel

This may provide some answers... http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

Dual citizenship might be something you already have or could obtain.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

And from Canada: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/dual-citizenship.asp

[74cb750]

Can't believe I am going to ask this:

What happens IF I renounce my American citizenship (since 1987)?

IS my Canadian citizenship reinstated?
Can I still live here In Vermont, USA?
Be out-of USA for so many days/year?
Do I have to have a residence in Canada?

I feel it is a sad commentary on the drug problem in the USA
when regular folks, whom have contributed to the the USA
are forced by financial considerations to even think about doing this.

peace,
michel

This may provide some answers... http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html

Dual citizenship might be something you already have or could obtain.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html

And from Canada: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/dual-citizenship.asp

Keith,
I just called the people at the link you gave me. Nice lady and good info.
Now have to touch base with INS and HOmeland security.

The income I generate via part-time carpentry, selling bikes/parts and refereeing soccer
don't cover even ONE month of my medications....

I already have dual citizenship USA/Canada, but last time I tried to move back,
after becoming a US citizen I was denied because of existing medical conditions
unless I renounced my US citizenship, which I was not willing to do.
 Now,
well, I'm NOT a hockey fan and soccer is not very big in Canada.
So for me, it's a big decision as I love soccer and starting to be accepted in
my community. Usually it takes 3 generations before Vermonters accept you,
but times are changing.
peace,
michel

[City Boy]

So,74CB750.Could you please explain further your denial of entry to Canada.If indeed you hold Canadian citizenship,you cannot be denied entry to your own country.Canada Customs can slow your entry with the 20 questions trick,but they cannot keep you out.

[74cb750]

So,74CB750.Could you please explain further your denial of entry to Canada.If indeed you hold Canadian citizenship,you cannot be denied entry to your own country.Canada Customs can slow your entry with the 20 questions trick,but they cannot keep you out.

When I became a  US citizen (former Canadian) I believe I renounced my Canadian citizenship in order
to be bonded at a charity as a computer operator/progammer/supervisor otherwise they would not
allow me to work with their sensitive national database.

I got sick of being in the US (I was young) and when I presented myself and intentions at the border
the customs agents (4 of them and me in a very small room, very intimidating , implied I was going to jail etc etc)
anyways,
I had cancer at 13 and was told because of this and my
"very, very bad" driving record they would not allow me to return.
no DWI, just what I thought were minor infractions most
teenagers never get caught doing. :-)

Hoping my "bad teenage record" will no longer be a valid reason to refuse
me re-entry.

peace,
michel

I'll see what Homeland Security has to say.
Then contact the Canadian people sometime in June, 2013.

[Terry in Australia]

That is what healthcare has come to.   As an example, when I was born in 1967, I was born premature.  Less than 4 lbs.   Stayed in the hospital a month.  Most of it in ICU.   The total bill:  $3017   

My 1967 Mustang 2+2 Fastback with the Shelby engine and fully loaded options has a full retail sticker price of about $3,000. You seem to have held up batter than the Mustang.

Have you still got that 'Stang Bobby? If so, can I have it? I'll send you some cheap Aussie prescription drugs and some Cuban ceegars? Cheers, Terry.

[BobbyR]

That is what healthcare has come to.   As an example, when I was born in 1967, I was born premature.  Less than 4 lbs.   Stayed in the hospital a month.  Most of it in ICU.   The total bill:  $3017   

My 1967 Mustang 2+2 Fastback with the Shelby engine and fully loaded options has a full retail sticker price of about $3,000. You seem to have held up batter than the Mustang.

Have you still got that 'Stang Bobby? If so, can I have it? I'll send you some cheap Aussie prescription drugs and some Cuban ceegars? Cheers, Terry.

I wish I did Terry. I drove the thing all the way to 1976. I had to put it back together when I got home from my Gov't financed trip. My Brother used it. I get a few bucks together and bought a 76 Trans Am and sold the Stang to some kid for $900.
A few Years ago I saw one just like mine go up at Auction in TV for around 100K. Fugged up the rest of the day. 

PS. the Trans Am was stolen 6 Months later.   

[Terry in Australia]

I wish I did Terry. I drove the thing all the way to 1976. I had to put it back together when I got home from my Gov't financed trip. My Brother used it. I get a few bucks together and bought a 76 Trans Am and sold the Stang to some kid for $900.
A few Years ago I saw one just like mine go up at Auction in TV for around 100K. Fugged up the rest of the day. 

PS. the Trans Am was stolen 6 Months later.   

Yeah, I know the feeling Bobby. Over here, the Aussie built Ford Falcon XY GT-HO is about the most sought after classic musclecar. I bought a standard XY Falcon Futura GS with GT-HO/Mustang drive train, (worked 4V 351 Cleveland, manualised C6 Auto, 9 inch Detroit locker diff etc) but sold it for $3K when I got posted to Brisbane because I couldn't afford the gas to drive it the 1000 miles. (it usually returned around 10 miles per gallon) A car that looked identical to mine with the same spec sold recently for $65K.......... Oh well............... 

[BobbyR]

Yeah Mate, 10 miles to the gallon was about right. All balls and could not turn for #$%*, but you could toss it around if you got up on the wheel. Great times.

[Terry in Australia]

And sadly, modern cars crap all over them now Bobby, I kicked a nice old 1975 XB GT's arse off the lights in 2002 in my 4 cylinder Toyota, I don't know who was more surprised, me of the GT's owner! Cheers, Terry.  

[74cb750]

Update on my condition:
the drug I was prescibed to alieviate the symtomps so I can
SLEEP
 (ie more than 2 hours uninterrupted, or a total of more than 4/night,
 has SIDE EFFECTS,
who knew?
Oh, you mean the Doctor?
AND the patient shuold have looked at the
possible side effects of the medication written in legalese on the sheet
they give you at the pharmacist?

Yeah, that be it, dummie.

Well,
"...may cause Insomnia, increased non-linear thinking, confusion...."
hmmmm.... could be why I even considered returning to Canada without consulting the family
friends I have around.

Damn, I feel foolish, embaressed by some of my recent posts on this thread.  but
I can say , hey judge the drugs made me do it. 

Guess I will have to keep looking for the right drug, or live sleeping 2-4 hours/night
waking up 3-4 times....ah $#$%@.

peace,
michel

[BobbyR]

Update on my condition:
the drug I was prescibed to alieviate the symtomps so I can
SLEEP
 (ie more than 2 hours uninterrupted, or a total of more than 4/night,
 has SIDE EFFECTS,
who knew?
Oh, you mean the Doctor?
AND the patient shuold have looked at the
possible side effects of the medication written in legalese on the sheet
they give you at the pharmacist?

Yeah, that be it, dummie.

Well,
"...may cause Insomnia, increased non-linear thinking, confusion...."
hmmmm.... could be why I even considered returning to Canada without consulting the family
friends I have around.

Damn, I feel foolish, embaressed by some of my recent posts on this thread.  but
I can say , hey judge the drugs made me do it. 

Guess I will have to keep looking for the right drug, or live sleeping 2-4 hours/night
waking up 3-4 times....ah $#$%@.

peace,
michel

Yeah Michel there are all kinds of psychological side effects to drugs you would not imagine. A sleep drug would work on the brain. I hope you were tested for sleep apnea. Good luck on your quest.   

[BobbyR]

And sadly, modern cars crap all over them now Bobby, I kicked a nice old 1975 XB GT's arse off the lights in 2002 in my 4 cylinder Toyota, I don't know who was more surprised, me of the GT's owner! Cheers, Terry.

It is sad Terry. But, what gave you a better feeling than a growling V8 (OK some pussy maybe) coming off the line. I took a ride in a new Boss 302 Mustang a guy at work has. The thing is an animal and it handles.
Back in the day when I was doing Highway Patrol we I was driving some of the same roads I do now in a Police Fairlane. At 80 and above you were working the car on the curves. Now I have two fingers on the  wheel and tune the radio on the curves. We had our time Mate. It was a good time.     

[Stev-o]

Terry - not familiar with the Falcon XY so I looked it up...

Aussie Ford Falcon XY GT-HO:




American 1961 Falcon, similar to what my Dad had:




Had a straight six with three on the tree.

Slightly differant!