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Offline Don R

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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2013, 08:48:59 PM »
I went to small claims court over an engine. Seller claimed it was a low mile original 454 engine and trans. Said he knew the owner of the truck it came out of and it was a one owner truck with wiring issues. In reality the engine had been rebuilt 3 times, the main caps were punch numbered, chisel numbered and number stamped. It was totally junk. Not even worth rebuilding. I got back my money and court costs. Returned the junk to the seller. I showed he misrepresented the engine with witnesses, photos and recipts.
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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2013, 08:55:05 PM »
A brake line splice with only one clamp, Sounds deadly to me. Even a splice with 2 hose clamps is not something I would risk my life with.

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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2013, 08:59:19 PM »
splice as in cut then put together or CUT as in opps i slipped and cut the line but will hide it with this very inconspicuous hose clamp
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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2013, 09:38:32 PM »
The tires will have the date of manufacture on them. Look for DOT and a set of numbers after it, will be the week and year made
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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2013, 06:09:14 AM »
Small claims court would be the way to go!!

BUT,,, You will have to PROVE to the judge that your bike is worth what you say it is!! If it is a standard STOCK bike and it has NO historical VALUE , without a ANTIQUE value estimate, the judge will look at the Blue Book value.
Sorry to say but it is VERY hard to prove the value of a vehicle this old unless it is listed as COLLECTABLE.

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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2013, 06:15:06 AM »
cant stand when people do this type of #$%* to other people.  intentionally botching a repair job on major safety components of a motorcycle should be able to be called attempted murder.  just my 2 cents
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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2013, 07:14:45 AM »
on the first page, did you say you now have the original motor back?  as well as the one he replaced it with?
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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2013, 07:20:23 AM »
Unfortunately, most people scream and shout, maybe even stamp their feet.....then just let it go.....and THAT is the reason these scumbags proliferate and profit! I seriously hope that you drive this moron to the ends of the earth and absolutely, sue him in small claims court. As other have pointed out, be methodical and accurate with every single document and contact a local branch of a couple of the Hod rod or Vintage car clubs....once you explain what's happened and can show some knowledge, you might get them to appraise your bike at real values. I only suggest contacting a "car" club because these clubs are nationwide and have more recognition then the Vintage bike clubs but either way, you will NEED that appraisal.  Remember, the judge who hears your case will prob not be a rider so things that we all take about as second nature, he won't have a clue....so remember your audience and plan your evidence accordingly.

Lastly, post up with your results....there's no doubt in anyone's mind who reads your thread that this guy is nothing more then a flim/flam artist and as much as we think it would make us feel better, beating his a** really won't.....and it won't change him or get your engine back but if you start removing things important to him, it WILL have an effect so when you write your "demand letter", copy it to his place of employment Attn: Management......because you want to be sure that he gets it....so if his boss hands it to him, he will! Of course you can snail mail several copies to him with  his neighbors's addresses too.....and don't worry, there's no libel when he can't prove financial or reputation harm and you can print enough threads from enough forums to show that his reputation, through his own actions, is scum.

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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2013, 08:04:20 AM »
yes, I now have the original motor back less the head & pistons

I think he found it more profitable to just swap out the motor with a salvaged one than to actually buy parts and do the repair

I got the motor back when I proved he had removed it after he had denied all that

Interesting guy, the first really pathological liar I ever met

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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2013, 08:07:32 AM »
and PS - he told me he can't get receipts first because all the work is under the table (hello IRS) . and then because he has employees of the places buy his parts (at discount I assume, wouldn't their employers love that), so the only receipts I can get are from him personally

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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2013, 08:37:52 AM »
Ok, we all agree he is a scumbag.

You need to contact appropriate authorities and then get back to us.

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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2013, 08:52:28 AM »
dude i hope he gets whats coming to him
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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2013, 09:47:37 AM »
Thanks for the overwhelming responses and support, I will keep you posted

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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2013, 10:34:54 AM »
What sort of arsehole does that to a brake line? Even the dumbest person would replace it surely?
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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2013, 02:45:05 PM »
post his name or company

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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2013, 04:28:17 PM »
I will post after I get my judgement, don't want to wise him up or predjudice my case

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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2013, 05:27:52 PM »
I had a guy like this work on my car once. He couldn't tell the truth to save his life. He had taken the car way out of town without telling me, wasn't fixing it of course, and wouldn't return the car. He's the only person I ever cussed to his face in my life. I finally got the car back not repaired.

A few years later he shot a Fed Ex driver in the back of the head while the driver was on his knees. Must have thought he was Jesse James or something. He's serving life in Michigan now.

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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #42 on: May 30, 2013, 05:37:17 PM »
Be sure to stick to FACTS only!! As soon as you start saying crap about him in letters or on forums  they become PUBLIC and EVIDENCE if you dis credit or defame him, he can turn tables on you for DEFAMATION of CHARACTER .



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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2013, 08:31:43 AM »
Just an update

I went to small claims and won by default, I had overwhelming evidence, the guy cjose not to show up. I may never get any money but at least I followed up on principle - thanks to all you for advice & support

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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2013, 08:59:29 AM »
NICE!!!!
Now you can file a claim against his future earnings.

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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2013, 11:34:07 AM »
Congrats! I won a judgment against a former tenant....I had him do a financial disclosure. Sure #$%* he lied on it... I was able to contact another company who filed a small claims against him. The financial disclosure he filled out with them had different information provided.... This has been an ongoing issue.... Good luck collecting.
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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2013, 04:21:06 PM »
Be sure to stick to FACTS only!! As soon as you start saying crap about him in letters or on forums  they become PUBLIC and EVIDENCE if you dis credit or defame him, he can turn tables on you for DEFAMATION of CHARACTER .



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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2013, 05:36:58 PM »
Now that you have a default judgment, go back to the court and ask for the forms to garnish his bank account (if known) or even better, the forms to get a judgment lien on his business. I suspect once you have the lien on the business he will be more willing to cough up the $1500.00
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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2013, 08:49:09 PM »
In a defamation case if you tell the judge you really think this guy is an Ahole ,then that is just your assumption. If you call him an AHOLE and a thief THEN he can sue for defamation.



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Re: Repair Fraud
« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2013, 09:42:09 PM »
I would have to take the engine apart, i also suspect the tires are salvagen no nubblies like new, the brake master cylinder was also clearly a 550 part

How can you tell the master cyl was a 550 part?
Good salvage motor can be around $400+, labour to fit and make sure it's running another few hundred.
I'm not trying to justify what he did in any way but I guess times are tough and he didn't think you would notice or care?
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