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Offline billingstitan

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Run all green bearings for bottom end rebuild?
« on: May 24, 2014, 10:36:40 PM »
Still praying Hondaman is going to be able to work me into his queue for a rebuild on my CB550 -- but I know he is busy as heck - and mine's a CB550 and he focuses more on the 750s - so, worst case scenario, I've been doing some research in the interim in case I need to dig into this myself.

These tight tolerances make my head spin - I write for a living, so numbers just %$#ing hurt my head. The mechanical part I feel confident I can carefully work my way through w/ the manual and doing a build thread here to garner the awesome resources of the community ... but the selection of the bearings gives me some concern. For one, on initial scouting, some of these simply do not seem to be available.

However, I can secure greens - and I've read in several places on here that guys say they simply replacing all the bearings with greens and then break in their bikes under 5000 rpm for the first thousand miles, making oil changes every 500 miles. I realize you'd still need to plastigauge the greens make sure you were too loose ...

but basic question: Is this a realistic alternative?

I have a handle on how to select the appropriate bearings -- but, the bike has 13,000 original miles, and has spun a bearing in the bottom end. If things evolve where I need to tackle this myself - is there any veracity to the idea of running all greens and just breaking it in easy?

Other question - the bike still runs - not a horrible sound yet, but you can hear it, so it's been parked until it can be properly repaired.

Is it likely the crank needs replaced? I may be ignorant, and there's simply no way to tell until you crack the cases -- but that also makes me nervous - cause would I be able to tell?

These are the questions that get me dizzy - i'm reading about 'out of round' or tolerances being a few thousands off, and other than plastiguage, I don't have access to anything that would measure those sorts of tolerances, and if I did, I'm not confident in my experience w/ this part of a bike.

Any thoughts are appreciated (and prayers that Hondaman can work me into his queue, lol)

-- I've spent a lot of hours on this old barn rescue, and the tank, side covers, brakes, bearings, etc. have all been rehabbed and are up to snuff -- so I can't let it go -- just trying to figure out options.

Worst nightmare is to invest the $$$$ in a bottom end rebuild and waste the investment due to lack of knowledge/experience w/ bottom-ends. I'm not a neophyte - changed engines, top ends, etc.; wrenched on bikes for many years - but never touched a bottom end. Just seems out of my league.

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Re: Run all green bearings for bottom end rebuild?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2014, 12:41:06 AM »
you wont know till its split if the crank is damaged,dont buy anything until its apart,plan A becomes plan B very quickly once a bottom end is apart.

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Re: Run all green bearings for bottom end rebuild?
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2014, 03:19:19 AM »
you wont know till its split if the crank is damaged,dont buy anything until its apart,plan A becomes plan B very quickly once a bottom end is apart.
+1 but more often than not if you spin a big end, the crank pin will be knackered.  I have seen a few though that go through the ordeal unscathed.
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Re: Run all green bearings for bottom end rebuild?
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2014, 09:29:18 AM »
Check your crank first as they said. Order bearing based on the case and crank info. Install them and Plastigauge. Make changes if necessary. 13000  should NOT require bearing size changes. A crank change might if it doesn't chart out like your present crank does. Plus you won't know what you are getting in a new crank - more wear or polished journals = larger clearance. You'd still go the same route. Install the charted bearing and Plastigauge. 
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Re: Run all green bearings for bottom end rebuild?
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2014, 10:18:12 AM »
Check your crank first as they said. Order bearing based on the case and crank info. Install them and Plastigauge. Make changes if necessary. 13000  should NOT require bearing size changes. A crank change might if it doesn't chart out like your present crank does. Plus you won't know what you are getting in a new crank - more wear or polished journals = larger clearance. You'd still go the same route. Install the charted bearing and Plastigauge.

I'd agree except for I think bearings for 500/550s are NLA except greenies. He mentioned he couldn't find any and I'm not a 500/550 guy but I think I've read that hereabouts.

For the 750s, there are those who throw in a set of greens and go. I would be reluctant too, except push comes to shove.
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Re: Run all green bearings for bottom end rebuild?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2014, 10:44:18 AM »
I have new brown main and con bearings on hand....just an FYI
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Re: Run all green bearings for bottom end rebuild?
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2014, 12:43:25 PM »
silvers has green and brown big ends but only green mains.

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Re: Run all green bearings for bottom end rebuild?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2014, 01:42:48 PM »
You may need to check the clearance and polish/grind the crank accordingly.
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Re: Run all green bearings for bottom end rebuild?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2014, 11:39:06 PM »
Thanks for the input, guys -

Mrieck: I may be hitting you up on those -

 I'm squirming every way possible to find someone w the knowledge and time to tackle this for me - willing to ship or deliver engine/and/or bike if I can find a reliable reasonable option

- but push comes to shove I will tear into it myself  :-\ Daunting

Well - I did steam clean the engine today so will be pulling the case letters. That's a start.

Just to clarify- I'm not ENTIRELY being a whiny $)@&h about the task - just built a house and adopted a child - only so much time .... aaaand I'm pretty sure this would OCD around the click endeavor

Anyway - thanks as always for the input


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Re: Run all green bearings for bottom end rebuild?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2014, 09:21:26 AM »
Thanks for the input, guys -

Mrieck: I may be hitting you up on those -

 I'm squirming every way possible to find someone w the knowledge and time to tackle this for me - willing to ship or deliver engine/and/or bike if I can find a reliable reasonable option

- but push comes to shove I will tear into it myself  :-\ Daunting

Well - I did steam clean the engine today so will be pulling the case letters. That's a start.

Just to clarify- I'm not ENTIRELY being a whiny $)@&h about the task - just built a house and adopted a child - only so much time .... aaaand I'm pretty sure this would OCD around the click endeavor

Anyway - thanks as always for the input
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Re: Run all green bearings for bottom end rebuild?
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2014, 03:02:03 PM »
Can I use the bottom end from a 78 cb550k w this motor does anyone know? There is one available w a bad top end for $200 - would this work? I assume I would need new gaskets etc- but would the rest mate up?

Thanks!
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Re: Run all green bearings for bottom end rebuild?
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2014, 10:41:55 PM »
the 550 bottom ends are all the same,there was a minor clutch update with a special twin steel plate,yours had the locked rocker shafts so I guess yours already has that,all the parts swap around and mix/match,dont get a 500 bottom end its different!