Author Topic: Overheat. (Read 5653 times)

Lostboy Steve · « **on:** June 20, 2013, 08:34:37 AM »

So after sitting in crawling traffic for about 25 mins this morning, I got the bike to make some strange noises and try to shut off on me. After it cooled everything seemed fine. What the hell should I do now?

flybox1 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 20, 2013, 08:37:53 AM »

shut down if you are sitting, or going to sit for an extended period of time.
take an alt route to avoid the gridlock.
change oil viscosity to suit the hotter conditions.

brandEn · « **Reply #2 on:** June 20, 2013, 08:39:55 AM »

Take her for a spin and cross your fingers.

What kind of strange noises?

Duke McDukiedook · « **Reply #3 on:** June 20, 2013, 08:42:05 AM »

If you can't avoid the constant sitting go to a 20W50 and buy an external oil cooler would be my advice.

TwoTired · « **Reply #4 on:** June 20, 2013, 08:57:34 AM »

Sounds like the oil overheated. Change it. High heat damages the oil. Damaged oil leads to damaged engine parts.

I use a semi synthetic for just the scenario you encountered, as the synthetic portion withstands higher temps a bit longer.

Still, if you over temp any oil, renew it. I find Honda's recommendation to use 10w-40 works quite well.

Don R · « **Reply #5 on:** June 20, 2013, 09:10:04 AM »

In warm riding season 20W50. I'd change it and hope for the best. An Oil cooler might help but only if air is flowing through it. The last time I had this problem I was lucky enough to be on a nice grade and just sut it off and rolled down the hill.

iron_worker · « **Reply #6 on:** June 20, 2013, 09:18:31 AM »

Agreed on changing the oil. I am also a proponent of the 10w40 clan. lol

IW

bwaller · « **Reply #7 on:** June 20, 2013, 09:35:55 AM »

Nothing to add except that the rider in your vid did a excellent job keeping the bike upright, awesome.

curemode2002 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 20, 2013, 12:11:55 PM »

I added a cooler to the 650 but the issue is still the same if you get stuck in traffic it does no good. I run the 10W-40 as well and in Utah we routinely hit 100+ in the summer when I do most of my riding and the 10W-40 has performed well. Also I go semi synthetic as two tired mentioned.

ekpent · « **Reply #9 on:** June 20, 2013, 09:33:59 PM »

Might want to pull a plug or two and make sure the engine is not running too lean also.Your pic in the avatar looks like the bike is mostly stock. Correct gas mixture though is important in cooling an air cooled engine,not just the right oil.

HondaMan · « **Reply #10 on:** June 20, 2013, 10:05:29 PM »

Interestingly, the coils can also overheat and make the engine start to miss, particularly if the sparkplug caps are not equal in resistance. Just a thought...

CoachDoc · « **Reply #11 on:** June 20, 2013, 10:45:57 PM »

Sorry, 10W-40 guys. I made the switch to 20W-50 during hot weather decades ago after examining my dip stick on a 108 degree day in the Nevada desert. My premium brand 10W-40 was the consistency of water when challenged with heat that extreme, and the effect will be the same in stop and go during less extreme Summer heat. Go with the 20W-50, the best quality you can afford- synthetic if possible- and do turn off your motor when stopped.

kghost · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2013, 02:37:42 AM »

Your lucky. You got 2 of the premier experts to comment on your post.

Two tired (Lloyd) and Hondaman (Mark)

Listen to them.

It's an AIR cooled engine.....no air....no cooling

Lostboy Steve · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2013, 01:36:52 PM »

Quote from: CoachDoc on June 20, 2013, 10:45:57 PM

Sorry, 10W-40 guys. I made the switch to 20W-50 during hot weather decades ago after examining my dip stick on a 108 degree day in the Nevada desert. My premium brand 10W-40 was the consistency of water when challenged with heat that extreme, and the effect will be the same in stop and go during less extreme Summer heat. Go with the 20W-50, the best quality you can afford- synthetic if possible- and do turn off your motor when stopped.

Well First of all, this is the first run with 10w-40 semi synthetic, since switching I've been experiencing an issue finding neutral (never had before) and it only happens when the bike is hot. I think its time to go back the Regular old oil and most likely in a 20w-50 weight. I can't avoid traffic on certain days. The problem is, its crawling traffic so you can't really shut off or stop. I shut it off as soon as I noticed it. It was a slight knock or ping but the bike started to idle very low. It rode home fine at a constant 75mph on the interstate for about 15 miles. Mind you this is a brand new engine, I guess that micro slick and thermal barrier coating didn't do so much huh? Never had this problem on my buell even on the hottest days, but i did run the 20w-50 in that.

kghost · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2013, 02:21:15 PM »

An oil cooler would help.

Even when your not moving its still radiating heat.

Also it will increase the volume of oil.

MOONDOGNYC · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2013, 02:54:30 PM »

Pinging under acceleration on an overheated motor is a common symptom.

Lostboy Steve · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2013, 06:43:23 PM »

Quote from: MOONDOGNYC on June 21, 2013, 02:54:30 PM

Pinging under acceleration on an overheated motor is a common symptom.

Yeah thats pretty much what I had.

74750k4 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 22, 2013, 10:50:18 AM »

Been running 15W-40, but on hot days, and high rpm runs up steep grades and then making stops at the top, it's HOT. Thinking about exchanging 1 quart of 20-50 synthetic in there. Here come the flames!

Lostboy Steve · « **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2013, 12:58:00 PM »

I suppose one quart might do it. I have in the past used a 1/4 bottle of lucas oil stabilizer in my Dirtbike due to slow trail rides in 100 degree heat. Maybe I'll run the 10-40 with a half qt of lucas in it.

70CB750 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 22, 2013, 12:58:18 PM »

Hey, twistedeng, your signature video gives me creeps

Just saying

Lostboy Steve · « **Reply #20 on:** June 22, 2013, 01:01:38 PM »

Quote from: 70CB750 on June 22, 2013, 12:58:18 PM

Hey, twistedeng, your signature video gives me creeps

Just saying

I had to put it in there when I saw it. It's titled "Triple Save". Look at that guy shake his head.. lol even he cant believe hes still upright.

74750k4 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 22, 2013, 02:55:41 PM »

What a lucky sob... hope i get that lucky.

Lostboy Steve · « **Reply #22 on:** June 30, 2013, 05:03:34 AM »

Yesterday I drained the oil out. Smelled fine and looked clean. Whatever, I added in a bit of lucas for the hell of it and ran the regular mineral 20w-50. I intentionally let it idle for a good 10 minutes in the 90 degree heat as an experiment. Got on, rode great, had no issues with finding neutral or strange engagement. Also, no overheating that I could see. I will stick with what works and keep this combination going.

dmizer · « **Reply #23 on:** June 30, 2013, 07:50:25 AM »

If you will find yourself occasionally getting stuck in traffic with no other options, I suggest you also add an oil temperature gauge (assuming you don't already have one). That way you'll have something to keep an eye on and you can pull off and cool down before things become critical.

TwoTired · « **Reply #24 on:** June 30, 2013, 12:00:33 PM »

Quote from: twistedengineering on June 30, 2013, 05:03:34 AM

Yesterday I drained the oil out. Smelled fine and looked clean. Whatever, I added in a bit of lucas for the hell of it and ran the regular mineral 20w-50. I intentionally let it idle for a good 10 minutes in the 90 degree heat as an experiment. Got on, rode great, had no issues with finding neutral or strange engagement. Also, no overheating that I could see. I will stick with what works and keep this combination going.

You think it was a fair comparison to pit old, used, damaged oil to brand new oil, never knowing what temperatures the two experienced?

seanbarney41 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 30, 2013, 09:00:24 PM »

Quote from: twistedengineering on June 22, 2013, 01:01:38 PM

Quote from: 70CB750 on June 22, 2013, 12:58:18 PM
Hey, twistedeng, your signature video gives me creeps

Just saying

I had to put it in there when I saw it. It's titled "Triple Save". Look at that guy shake his head.. lol even he cant believe hes still upright.

lol...Twisted, every time I come across one of your posts, I can't stop watching that video over and over for about 5 minutes

Lostboy Steve · « **Reply #26 on:** July 01, 2013, 05:12:53 AM »

Quote from: TwoTired on June 30, 2013, 12:00:33 PM

Quote from: twistedengineering on June 30, 2013, 05:03:34 AM
Yesterday I drained the oil out. Smelled fine and looked clean. Whatever, I added in a bit of lucas for the hell of it and ran the regular mineral 20w-50. I intentionally let it idle for a good 10 minutes in the 90 degree heat as an experiment. Got on, rode great, had no issues with finding neutral or strange engagement. Also, no overheating that I could see. I will stick with what works and keep this combination going.

You think it was a fair comparison to pit old, used, damaged oil to brand new oil, never knowing what temperatures the two experienced?

I agree, but it wasn't old or dirty. It had about 300 miles on it and I experienced these problems immediately after changing the oil.

Lostboy Steve · « **Reply #27 on:** July 01, 2013, 05:13:28 AM »

Quote from: seanbarney41 on June 30, 2013, 09:00:24 PM

Quote from: twistedengineering on June 22, 2013, 01:01:38 PM
Quote from: 70CB750 on June 22, 2013, 12:58:18 PM
Hey, twistedeng, your signature video gives me creeps

Just saying

I had to put it in there when I saw it. It's titled "Triple Save". Look at that guy shake his head.. lol even he cant believe hes still upright.
lol...Twisted, every time I come across one of your posts, I can't stop watching that video over and over for about 5 minutes

Thats why its there my friend

TwoTired · « **Reply #28 on:** July 01, 2013, 09:59:15 AM »

Quote from: twistedengineering on July 01, 2013, 05:12:53 AM

Quote from: TwoTired on June 30, 2013, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: twistedengineering on June 30, 2013, 05:03:34 AM
Yesterday I drained the oil out. Smelled fine and looked clean. Whatever, I added in a bit of lucas for the hell of it and ran the regular mineral 20w-50. I intentionally let it idle for a good 10 minutes in the 90 degree heat as an experiment. Got on, rode great, had no issues with finding neutral or strange engagement. Also, no overheating that I could see. I will stick with what works and keep this combination going.

You think it was a fair comparison to pit old, used, damaged oil to brand new oil, never knowing what temperatures the two experienced?

I agree, but it wasn't old or dirty. It had about 300 miles on it and I experienced these problems immediately after changing the oil.

Just remember a glass of plain water looks just like a glass full of hydrochloric acid. These behave differently when chugged down.

The eyeballs make a poor chemical analysis tool. Are you sure it wasn't some particular incantation said while changing the oil that made the difference? Did you use "lucky gloves"?

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Author Topic: Overheat. (Read 5653 times)