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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #575 on: November 15, 2020, 12:20:16 PM »
Hey FL....good to hear you finally settled and with interest to boot!

BTW - not seeing the pics.
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #576 on: November 15, 2020, 12:53:09 PM »
BTW - not seeing the pics.

sorry, my bad. they should be fixed now if i didn't screw up again ;)

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #577 on: November 15, 2020, 01:44:36 PM »
BTW - not seeing the pics.

sorry, my bad. they should be fixed now if i didn't screw up again ;)

I see 'em now...looks good!
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Re: 1976 CB550F - holding on
« Reply #578 on: November 17, 2020, 12:16:45 PM »
another thing i did was the bars. the european 550 bars give a much better riding position than the US version but i generally had the feeling something just a tad lower and a bit more narrow would suit me better. so i got these 400F repop bars from david silver. the difference is not huge but i must say, i like them.

here's how they compare:





it's very tight in the cockpit with these. especially on the right hand side, it's a tight squeeze between the tach and the MC but it just fits without them making contact.

the clutch cable to use with these is the 22870-404-670. that's the one that goes with the european 550 bars and also fits with the 400 ones. the US version of  the cable is often sold also for the euro bars where it fits, but it's too long to go with the 400 ones. no need to ask how i know  ::)

anyway, after riding all summer with the new bars i can say i like them and they'll stay on.
it's not a radical change but they make you catch a little bit less wind and lean you forward a bit more, which works fine for me.

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Re: 1976 CB550F - shocking news
« Reply #579 on: November 19, 2020, 11:28:14 AM »
i've had these old konis that came with the bike when i bought it. they're a nice period correct upgrade but honestly, after 40+ years they could do with a re-fresh.



there's just nothing like those original koni alu bodies so i definitely wanted to keep them, while giving them as much of a performance boost as possible. geoff from ikon in australia was of immense help in figuring out what to do.
i sent him the specs and measurements of my ikons, while he dove into his archive of documentation and parts to figure out what we could do.

we agreed to fit internals of the current ikon series and add a progressive spring. as easy as that sounds, it took a lot of research, mix-n-match of components, and some custom fabrication to get a set that would fit the old bodies.

from the first time of contacting geoff until i received the package with the parts, took 3 years.
while this sounds like a long time i'm aware that most other commercial businesses would not even bother with such a request at all. i'm super grateful that they had the commitment and patience to work this out with me.

anyway, after the package arrived i could get to work.
here are two articles that i found helpful with the nitty-gritty stuff:
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,173257.0.html
http://www.zimmerframeracing.com/koni_shocks/index.htm

here are the stripped-down bodies.
on the left are the lower spring seats. they had to be replaced because the new progressive spring has a larger outer diameter than the old one.
i had to ream out the new seats to fit over the bodies. apparently, the current steel bodies are slimmer than the old obese alu ones.



disassembling the shocks is messy business. there's a mix of antique oil and dissolved pastic stuff in there that smells absolutely disgusting.

here the old and new internals for comparison.
the new pressure tube will need to be cut down so that the complete new assembly will have the same hight as the old one. some careful measurements needed to be taken here.



while one shock came apart relatively easily with just a bit of persuasive force, the other one just didn't want to budge no matter what we did. heat... tapping... cursing... nothing helped.

what did it in the end:
make a little cup around the top out of pastic foil, fill it with a 50/50 mix of acetone and ATF and let it soak for a day.



then put the thing in a vice and hold the spanner down with a piece of tubing. some extra leverage and lean into it...



... and there we go - that awful smell again! the smell of victory, i suppose.



here now the completely rebuilt and refreshed shocks.





looks like this now on the bike.
they work really great. contact to the road is noticeably better, and cornering is more confident. this took an awful lot of time to realise, it's probably a but of a nut job but i'm happy with the outcome.

« Last Edit: November 19, 2020, 11:38:31 AM by flatlander »

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #580 on: November 19, 2020, 03:50:29 PM »
Nice job on the rebuild, FL.  3 yrs...crazy!  Looks great...
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #581 on: November 21, 2020, 06:47:11 AM »
Nice job on the rebuild, FL.  3 yrs...crazy!  Looks great...

yes 3 years is a long time. good i was not in a rush ;)

this nice new OEM front fender just arrived, to replace the one that got a bit bent in the accident. this things are pretty expensive but i found one at a great price and jumped on it. i'll coat it with tectyl on the inside, same as the rear one, and slap it on.


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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #582 on: December 02, 2020, 02:16:46 PM »
What is the name/number of the blue paint that was used? Very nice bike.
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #583 on: December 03, 2020, 01:52:36 AM »
sorry i don't have the actual specs, it was done by a paintshop. but if you want to match the original paint you can search for the following:
honda sapphire blue (used on 550F1)
honda candy sword blue (used on F2)
i think also the partslist contains the honda colour codes.

hope this helps.

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #584 on: March 27, 2021, 11:58:00 AM »
Pre 1978 Honda didn't keep the pint spec. according to the Honda head mechanic at the time. Best thing for pre 1978 bikes is go to an automotive paint shop and get a color match spray bomb made up which they put a color code on it so if you want another it is no problem,

I did this to match a side cover to the original 1976 orange my CB550F came in I have spare.
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #585 on: April 05, 2021, 01:27:14 PM »
When I had my bits repainted  my shop found a Ferrari blue (I think from the '80s) that was a very close match.
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #586 on: July 02, 2023, 08:25:53 AM »
Hi old timer - got exactly same koni shocks on my 1979 CB550f2 - except red springs. Would you still have a breakdown of the items used as I want to try & keep the alloy bodies. Busy rebuilding (slowly) - suspension, electrics & brakes to do.

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #587 on: July 06, 2023, 06:47:16 AM »
oy, are you trying to make friends calling me an old timer?
sorry to be slow to respond - i got your private message as well. i'm just back from travelling and will look for it.

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #588 on: July 06, 2023, 09:51:49 AM »
oy, are you trying to make friends calling me an old timer?
sorry to be slow to respond - i got your private message as well. i'm just back from travelling and will look for it.

Looks like he just used your own handle....
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #589 on: July 06, 2023, 06:22:36 PM »
oy, are you trying to make friends calling me an old timer?
sorry to be slow to respond - i got your private message as well. i'm just back from travelling and will look for it.

Looks like he just used your own handle....
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #590 on: July 07, 2023, 05:23:31 AM »
indeed. as really old timers i trust you guys to know this better than a plain old timer such as myself  :D

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #591 on: July 09, 2023, 12:41:53 PM »
Hi old timer - got exactly same koni shocks on my 1979 CB550f2 - except red springs. Would you still have a breakdown of the items used as I want to try & keep the alloy bodies. Busy rebuilding (slowly) - suspension, electrics & brakes to do.

i'm sure i had an itemised invoice from ikon, for the parts - but can't find it anywhere now. so here's a list of the parts i got, pieced together from emails and notes.

  • Piston rod including eye and new top mounting bush
  • Bump stop
  • Gland nut & seal assembled (custom made gland nut)
  • Rod guide
  • O-ring
  • Rebound stop
  • Piston and valves
  • Pressure tube (to be cut to required length prior to assembly)
  • Footvalve
  • oil, 5W (10W can be used if firmer compression or rebound is needed)
  • progressively wound spring, 205mm (#  205-17/24/31)
  • top and bottom spring seats (only needed if you use the progressive springs as their ID 42mm vs. 39mm for the original linear ones)

i had to increase the ID of the lower spring seat in order to make it fit the body. i think it must have been made for the steel bodies, not the older alu ones.
hope this helps. if you have any more questions please give me a shout.
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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #592 on: July 11, 2023, 12:04:15 PM »
well now i found it! it was hiding in the basement.
this lists the ikon part numbers.


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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #593 on: July 16, 2023, 11:06:42 PM »
ceebee, are you having any luck with the parts for your alu shock bodies?

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #594 on: July 21, 2023, 09:47:59 AM »
Hopefully on their way now from Geoff in OZ. Can you advise sequence of assembly & when to add the oil?

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #595 on: July 21, 2023, 01:02:25 PM »
that's good to hear. for me, it took them ages to get the parts together. now that they've done it before, hopefully it goes quicker for you.

honestly, disassembly was the hardest part. getting that gland nut to release was tough. and removing the old oil and gunk was no joy. the new parts pretty much fall into place. if you have the zimmerframe page, and the old assembly as a reference it will all make sense when you see it.
in my old shocks there was a brass ring between the pressure tube and foot valve. the new assembly doesn't use this. your new kit will contain some plastic washers that may not be present in your old shocks because they can have dissolved over time.

here's an extra large picture. at the top it shows the complete new assembly. you see the difference to the old parts which are at the bottom.



my old post for easy access: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,134863.msg2142529.html#msg2142529

it's good to do a dry assembly first to make sure you got everything right and that the pressure tube is the correct length. the length should be such, that when everything is fully assembled, the gland nut at the top should not bottom out in its threads but there should be a bit of pressure on the o-ring at the top and the tube itself. obviously, when you cut it to length, if in doubt it's better to leave it a bit too long than make it too short ;)

i used 80ml of oil in each shock. you can just pour it in before you insert the piston.

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #596 on: August 07, 2023, 01:30:41 AM »
Hi Flatliner - having problem with new gland nut going into my original aluminium Koni body - too big. New nut is 33.91mm across the threads. Old original - 31.98mm. Notice your part no. From Geoff - J70205001280. Hopefully he can sort this item for me - notice that Stein Dinse also stock similar/same.

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Re: 1976 CB550F - making it good, one step at a time
« Reply #597 on: August 07, 2023, 01:47:28 AM »
oh that sucks. did you tell geoff that the gland nut was going into an old, alu body from koni?
i distinctly remember that he had to custom source or make mine, they're not a standard item that they have available. as it was a custom item, i'm not sure how the part number relates to it.