Author Topic: No start...its spring...PD Carb  (Read 19627 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Sdsbassist

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,114
  • Gus, Austin, MN.
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #75 on: April 15, 2014, 07:43:55 PM »
Pulled those pilots again and 2 were plugged and 1 had just a small amount of light going through. Using a high e string to clean it, but it doesnt really do a whole lot for the hole....before I came in for the night I am soaking them in carb cleaner overnight.

Hopefully that with an air compressor will get it where it can run.

Got a seat and taillight ordered so once its tuned and running should be able to get it on the road. Next week no snow in the forecast :))

Hopefully that with the timing will give us a good pop tomorrow.

When it runs it will be an accomplishment.

Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2

Gus, Austin, MN.
Current Bike:  75 750F

Past bikes: 76 750K - "Iowa Blue",78 750K Craigslist find - "Black Beth;" 77 CB750K Basketcase, with a 75K engine; 1970 Cb750 K1, "Rosa Luxembourg"
74 cb750, 75 cb550, 77 kawa 650, 81 virago 750, 83 virago 920, 80 Honda Twinstar 200, 71 Honda CT70, 1971 Honda CB750 Rat Project "Black Dahlia Bitsa"

Offline martin99

  • UK Based, Non-
  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,730
  • Adventure before Dementia
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #76 on: April 16, 2014, 06:28:50 AM »
Pulled those pilots again and 2 were plugged and 1 had just a small amount of light going through. Using a high e string to clean it, but it doesnt really do a whole lot for the hole....before I came in for the night I am soaking them in carb cleaner
Hopefully that with the timing will give us a good pop tomorrow.

Pulled the pilots again and they're plugged? Only two possible reasons I can think of for this.

1. You didn't clean them properly the first time.
2. Your fuel is contaminated with crud and re-blocking the jets.

If indeed you have pulled the pilots, you will find that there is more than just the one hole that goes through the length of them. There are several horizontal holes too, which simply cannot be cleaned without removing the jet. If these are clogged it will make a significant difference to your idle - when I first did this on my old 750F2, the difference was night and day.

Given that you admit you're a bit flakey on the terminology, and that we're here to help, how about posting us a pic of the actual part you are cleaning so we can confirm we're on the same page? ;)
Build threads:
77 750F2 Refresh Project http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=144075.0
TRIBSA http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,160296.0.html

1977 CB750 F2
1958 Norton Model 99
2011 Triumph Street Triple 675

Offline Sdsbassist

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,114
  • Gus, Austin, MN.
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #77 on: April 16, 2014, 07:30:41 AM »
Yes. I pulled the pilot jet completely out with a pair of pliers. I find them hard to clean. Today my plan is to hopefully get an Oring from the honda dealer.

Then clean the jet with a speaker wire and guitar string with compressed air. Reinstall the pilots and spray carb cleaner through the front of the carb body to make sure I have a nice, steady stream.

I've got a feeling this could make a big difference.

I want to make sure the acccel pump is working while I have them off, because I want to have the carbs in good shape before I use a timing light, adjust air screws, ect.

In the future, i will try to use the terminology better as to not cause confusion.

This is what I am cleaning (when pulled)
Gus, Austin, MN.
Current Bike:  75 750F

Past bikes: 76 750K - "Iowa Blue",78 750K Craigslist find - "Black Beth;" 77 CB750K Basketcase, with a 75K engine; 1970 Cb750 K1, "Rosa Luxembourg"
74 cb750, 75 cb550, 77 kawa 650, 81 virago 750, 83 virago 920, 80 Honda Twinstar 200, 71 Honda CT70, 1971 Honda CB750 Rat Project "Black Dahlia Bitsa"

Offline Sdsbassist

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,114
  • Gus, Austin, MN.
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #78 on: April 16, 2014, 10:34:56 AM »
Success!

Local honda dealer had em for a buck. Same as older goldwing diaphrams!

Bought a couple spares for later.



Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2
Gus, Austin, MN.
Current Bike:  75 750F

Past bikes: 76 750K - "Iowa Blue",78 750K Craigslist find - "Black Beth;" 77 CB750K Basketcase, with a 75K engine; 1970 Cb750 K1, "Rosa Luxembourg"
74 cb750, 75 cb550, 77 kawa 650, 81 virago 750, 83 virago 920, 80 Honda Twinstar 200, 71 Honda CT70, 1971 Honda CB750 Rat Project "Black Dahlia Bitsa"

Offline martin99

  • UK Based, Non-
  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,730
  • Adventure before Dementia
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #79 on: April 16, 2014, 01:48:37 PM »
Progress! Hope I didn't offend. Terminology can be confusing at the best of times. Be sure to double check float height before you button them up.
Build threads:
77 750F2 Refresh Project http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=144075.0
TRIBSA http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,160296.0.html

1977 CB750 F2
1958 Norton Model 99
2011 Triumph Street Triple 675

Offline Sdsbassist

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,114
  • Gus, Austin, MN.
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #80 on: April 16, 2014, 04:58:21 PM »
It ran today. Still no accel pump. Not totally sure what the deal is. Going to leave it for now till I get my new airbox, then I will look into it some more.
Gus, Austin, MN.
Current Bike:  75 750F

Past bikes: 76 750K - "Iowa Blue",78 750K Craigslist find - "Black Beth;" 77 CB750K Basketcase, with a 75K engine; 1970 Cb750 K1, "Rosa Luxembourg"
74 cb750, 75 cb550, 77 kawa 650, 81 virago 750, 83 virago 920, 80 Honda Twinstar 200, 71 Honda CT70, 1971 Honda CB750 Rat Project "Black Dahlia Bitsa"

Offline harisuluv

  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,009
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #81 on: April 16, 2014, 05:15:51 PM »
so... you are assuming your nozzles are clean? 

isn't one of your nozzles broken off anyways?

Offline Sdsbassist

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,114
  • Gus, Austin, MN.
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #82 on: April 16, 2014, 07:51:24 PM »
Heres why I am assuming that. When I use compressed air, air blows out of all 4 nozzles. When it cones out again im going to attempt to clean it again...

Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2

Gus, Austin, MN.
Current Bike:  75 750F

Past bikes: 76 750K - "Iowa Blue",78 750K Craigslist find - "Black Beth;" 77 CB750K Basketcase, with a 75K engine; 1970 Cb750 K1, "Rosa Luxembourg"
74 cb750, 75 cb550, 77 kawa 650, 81 virago 750, 83 virago 920, 80 Honda Twinstar 200, 71 Honda CT70, 1971 Honda CB750 Rat Project "Black Dahlia Bitsa"

Offline flybox1

  • My wife thinks I'm a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,289
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #83 on: April 17, 2014, 07:42:41 AM »
Here's a suggestion to help you save time from continuously searching for the blockage in your accel pump.   give up the air, and use carb cleaner for this.
you'll need to work backwards through the system.  once you check one item, and it works, move on to the next.  pretty soon you will find the part or area that needs attention.

you'll need to have these carbs off the bike but all together, the accel pump fuel lines OFF, carb bowls off and accel pump disassembled.
#1. start with the nozzle system. take your trusty can of carb cleaner, and spray into the male fuel line barbs of all the carbs to see if the nozzles spray.  DO NOT PASS GO until all 4 nozzles spray and the male barbs on carbs 2&3 spray straight through.

#2 spray UP into carb #2 at the point where the #2 carb bowl check valve meets the carb body.  its a really small hole.  if you get spray, out of the nozzle, and its male fuel line barbs, move on....

#3 Carb bowl #2 check valve.  spray up into the bottom of the carb bowl, where the accel pump mates to it, and see that  you get spray out the check valve.  if you do, move on

#4  put the #2 bowl back on the carb rack with the 3 screws. dont forget the o-ring at the check valve. tighten the screws as you normally would.  spray carb cleaner up into the bottom of the #2 bowl as you did in step #3.  do you get spray out of the nozzle and male fuel line barbs.    is your o-ring to fat and causing the check valve to be blocked?

#5 spray carb cleaner into the accel pump bowl check valve.  does it spray adequately.  it should come out fast and in a spray.  if it does, reassemble the accel pump onto the bowl.  and insert all of the cleaned and clear connecting fuel lines, including the brass spacers between the carbs.

connect an auxiliary fuel supply to your carbs so that all the bowls fill.
i'll even use a really short stiff section of fuel line and attach a small kitchen funnel, and fill the bowls.  the short fuel line should be able to support the funnel without your help.  fuel will start build up in the funnel when they are all full.  stop adding gas at this point. dump some out if you need to.  you only need enough to keep the #2 bowl filled.

#6 actuate your accel pump rod to prime the system.  either turn the throttle bell manually(i hate fighting the return spring) or get a small screwdriver onto the tip of the pump rod.  press it up and down.  you should have spray after the system primes.  if you dont, you need to recheck your diaphragm and spring setup....its the last link in the system, and you verified all other parts were working.

hope this helps....
« Last Edit: April 17, 2014, 07:48:18 AM by flybox1 »
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

Past Bikes
1974 550K0 (stock), 1973 CB350F (stock), 1983 Yamaha XS400K (POS)
77/78 cool 2 member #3
"Knowledge without mileage equals bullsh!t" - Henry Rollins

"This is my CB. There are many like it, but this one is mine…"

Offline Sdsbassist

  • Expert
  • ****
  • Posts: 1,114
  • Gus, Austin, MN.
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #84 on: April 17, 2014, 10:58:15 AM »
Awesome. That will be my strategy when the carbs come off next week.

I apprecaite all the help.

What size clear tubing would I get for in between the nozzles?

DG
Gus, Austin, MN.
Current Bike:  75 750F

Past bikes: 76 750K - "Iowa Blue",78 750K Craigslist find - "Black Beth;" 77 CB750K Basketcase, with a 75K engine; 1970 Cb750 K1, "Rosa Luxembourg"
74 cb750, 75 cb550, 77 kawa 650, 81 virago 750, 83 virago 920, 80 Honda Twinstar 200, 71 Honda CT70, 1971 Honda CB750 Rat Project "Black Dahlia Bitsa"

Offline flybox1

  • My wife thinks I'm a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,289
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #85 on: April 17, 2014, 11:05:06 AM »
use the same ID tube as the OD of your brass restrictors.
be sure to use spring clips to seal the ends.
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

Past Bikes
1974 550K0 (stock), 1973 CB350F (stock), 1983 Yamaha XS400K (POS)
77/78 cool 2 member #3
"Knowledge without mileage equals bullsh!t" - Henry Rollins

"This is my CB. There are many like it, but this one is mine…"

Offline Badluckhonda

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 87
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #86 on: April 02, 2015, 12:51:26 PM »
So 3/16 is the right size fuel line for the accelerator pump ?
Also fly box said I can use 3/16 brass hobby tubing for the restictors, but soda assist said that is not the correct size ?

Where can I get 2mm x 4mm tubing

Offline harisuluv

  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,009
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #87 on: April 02, 2015, 01:02:37 PM »
The brass restrictors are an odd size.  2mm ID, 4mm OD

I made my own, or you can reuse them if you can find some old ones.

They are sleeved in the 3.5mm sized line for say the drain tubes, etc.

Offline flybox1

  • My wife thinks I'm a
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 14,289
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #88 on: April 02, 2015, 01:29:09 PM »
So 3/16 is the right size fuel line for the accelerator pump ?
Also fly box said I can use 3/16 brass hobby tubing for the restictors, but soda assist said that is not the correct size ?

Where can I get 2mm x 4mm tubing
yes, they are a really odd size, 2mmx4mm is correct... but you're just trying to take up volume in the tubes.
the OEM ones even have tiny tapered ends.
'78 750K (F3 engine) PD42b's, Modified airbox w/K&N  filter, 40/110 jets, 1 needle shim, IMS@ 1 turn out. Kerker + Cone 18" QuietCore

Past Bikes
1974 550K0 (stock), 1973 CB350F (stock), 1983 Yamaha XS400K (POS)
77/78 cool 2 member #3
"Knowledge without mileage equals bullsh!t" - Henry Rollins

"This is my CB. There are many like it, but this one is mine…"

Offline Badluckhonda

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 87
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #89 on: April 02, 2015, 02:28:44 PM »
So 3.5 is the correct size fuel line, not 3/16 or is the 3/16 close enough ?

Harisuluv where did you get the material to make the restrictors ?

Offline harisuluv

  • Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,009
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #90 on: April 02, 2015, 02:54:43 PM »
Yeah it's a metric bike so no standard fittings are going to be stock size for the most part.

I actually looked for awhile and then ended up machining them out of brass on the lathe. 

Offline Stev-o

  • Ain't no
  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 34,481
  • Central Texas
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #91 on: April 02, 2015, 04:39:06 PM »
So 3.5 is the correct size fuel line, not 3/16 or is the 3/16 close enough ?




I use 3/16" fuel line with no issues. Get it at your local auto parts store.
'74 "Big Bang" Honda 750K [836].....'76 Honda 550F.....K3 Park Racer!......and a Bomber!............plus plus plus.........

Offline Badluckhonda

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 87
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #92 on: April 02, 2015, 04:47:47 PM »
Yeah it's a metric bike so no standard fittings are going to be stock size for the most part.

I actually looked for awhile and then ended up machining them out of brass on the lathe.

Haha that's pretty cool. I think ima gonna buy some  4mm and 3mm brass tubing they both have a .45 wall so I'll just run one inside thee other

Offline RainCityRider

  • BRAAAP!
  • Enthusiast
  • **
  • Posts: 139
  • instagram @raincityrider76
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #93 on: August 19, 2016, 01:25:18 PM »
I know this is an old thread but just read and thought I would add this.

5.5mm honda fuel line.
http://4into1.com/genuine-honda-black-fuel-line-5-5mm-by-the-foot/
78 CB750K
78 CB750K
78 CB750K
99 ZRX 1100

Offline Badluckhonda

  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 87
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #94 on: August 19, 2016, 07:21:01 PM »
For the acdel pimp you'd need the 3.5 line they have not 5.5

Offline Jnel

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 295
Re: No start...its spring...PD Carb
« Reply #95 on: July 13, 2017, 11:54:43 AM »
No bunnys around,  so yes.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk