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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2015, 02:34:44 PM »
It's a Yamahahahahahahahahaha, you should change out everything behind the front end!  ;D

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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2015, 02:38:39 PM »
A friend helped me put the XS650 and FZR numbers into the calculator. I do NOT know the FZR tree rake, if any.
 That said, we came up with:
 XS650 trail:  4.47" or 112.91mm
 FZR600 trail: 3.92" or 99.58mm

?  Scott, the trees don't have any rake, only offset, thats easy to measure, Draw a straight line between the top centre of both forks while they are in the clamps, find the center of the steering stem and measure back to the line between the for top centers, that is your offset, without that measurement you can't get any figure worth looking at, its a critical measurement... Forget tree rake completely, NO Japanese production bike has raked trees...    A quick google search revealed,
From the Clymer Manual XS650 and tx650

Trail 3.9in (101mm)
Caster 63degrees

From page161 1975- Early 1978
Trail 3.9in (101mm)
Caster 63degrees

From page 162 1978(Late) XS650E,SE
Caster 27 degrees
Trail 4.53in (115mm)

So it looks like for a 1975 XS650 the trail numbers are 101mm, or virtually 4 inches ... Make it easier since we are talking Japanese bikes and do all your measurements in MM instead of inches, all Japanese triple trees are offset in MM..

FZR600

 Rake  25°
   
 Trail   97 mm / 3.8 in

If you want to keep the Yammy close to stock you don't need the FZR numbers, you need to find, assuming you are using the original front wheel, triple clamps with the same offset as the yamaha, to fit the FZR forks or what ever forks you are using, Jimmy has already said this... ;) Slow down and take your time, its worth getting right... Make sure that all your measurements are exact when using the calculator, A 1mm error will change everything, apparently the motogp riders can feel a 1 mm difference in triple tree offset, so even though we may not, it does make a difference... ;D :o ;)
   

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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2015, 12:26:02 PM »
 OK, so I've seen bearing charts and fork charts, but where does one find info on triple trees?
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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2015, 02:10:26 PM »
All Balls Racing website has conversion bearing charts
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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2015, 02:50:30 PM »
What info are you after Scott...?
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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2015, 05:24:57 PM »
 Funjimmy mentioned first ding a good set of forks and mixing/matching triples to get the correct offset, etc.
 How would you research that?
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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2015, 05:46:58 PM »
Maybe clamp offsets could be found in the service manual for whatever bike. The down side is although Honda manuals are easy enough to find free online, most others are not.  Surely a search would lead to good info somewhere.

My son has an FZR400, not sure if the offset is the same as the 6.

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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2015, 07:12:36 PM »
Funjimmy mentioned first ding a good set of forks and mixing/matching triples to get the correct offset, etc.
 How would you research that?

I don't have an easy research tool for this Scott. Typically search eBay for clipons the diameter of the forks to see what other bikes are listed. Then search those bikes for triples. Sellers will often supply pictures and measurements if asked nicely. If you have a bent bike (bone yard) you can go that route too. It's a pain but what choices do we have?
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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2015, 07:32:23 PM »
Or get some made to suit, around $550/600 USD....  Thats what a lot of us do... ;)
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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2015, 05:05:43 AM »
+1 RR. What the hell was I going on about.  ;D

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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2015, 08:42:19 AM »
 And then I'll have a $1200 front end on a $1700 bike. :)
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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2015, 01:50:32 PM »
And then I'll have a $1200 front end on a $1700 bike. :)
No, you'll have a custom $3,000 bike unlike others  ;)
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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2015, 01:56:46 PM »
And then I'll have a $1200 front end on a $1700 bike. :)

ScottS, PM Pamcopete to see if he wants to add to your thread - he has already swapped an xs650 front end onto his SOHC750, I'm sure he'll have some good input.
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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2015, 02:24:41 PM »
And then I'll have a $1200 front end on a $1700 bike. :)

ScottS, PM Pamcopete to see if he wants to add to your thread - he has already swapped an xs650 front end onto his SOHC750, I'm sure he'll have some good input.

Hotdog, you shouldn't post when you've been drinking mate.... ;D  Scott has a XS650 and he wants to put a modern front end on it.... ;) ;D :o
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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2015, 02:37:08 PM »
Oh dear, and this early on a Sunday....must be church wine eh...?
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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2015, 02:38:08 PM »
Oh dear, and this early on a Sunday....must be church wine eh...?

 ;D ;D  Could have just been a long Saturday night mate...I understand... ;D 8)
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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2015, 05:43:17 PM »
 Pamco Pete lives a few miles from me. I could just ride over there again. :)

 That swap was easy because they're both 35mm forks. He kept the stock triples.
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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2015, 06:00:23 AM »
Scott,

It would seem to me that if you just found a bike with the same 27 degree caster (rake) and used the triples and forks from that bike that everything else would just fall into place.

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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2015, 06:22:36 AM »
 If it were that simple. Fork length, triple tree offset, rake, etc. all play a part.

 Got a lead on some cheap GSXR forks with calipers, steering damper, etc. That's a swap that's been done on the XS a few times. I should know later today whether I get them or not.
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Re: Help me research/understand front end swap stuff (XS650)
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2015, 07:03:06 PM »
Scott,

Until today, I couldn't remember where I posted this info but you might find it an interesting read.

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