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I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« on: February 10, 2015, 12:18:39 AM »
I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf aftermarket cb500/550 pipe
One that is designed for best sound and max consistent torque and hp etc.
Perhaps with a balance tube connecting them under the frame?
With no compromise of ground clearance on either side... has to be better than stock that way.
And a nice throaty sound.
In various finishes like jet coat etc from which to choose

for under $300.
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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2015, 01:26:30 AM »
Yeah, would be a nice compromise between looks, cost and overall performance. Personally I never liked the looks of a 500 or 550 with a 4-1, that is... seen from the left side.
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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2015, 05:33:47 AM »
I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf aftermarket cb500/550 pipe

I'm with you on this one. I like the look of  muffler on each side.
MAC does make  mufflers that uses the stock down pipes...one for each side, but I don't think it's a "performance tuned" part.
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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2015, 12:55:14 PM »
Cyclex has "drag pipes" but these are for straightliners as the name implies. I wanted something for performance, that make a nice throaty howl, that hug the frame closely on both sides and then turn up at the right spot where they just barely allow passenger pegs/passenger's heels to give most possible lean angle before grinding.
I think a properly tuned and balanced system could give better performance than a 4-4 with less weight, and come close to the weight of a 4-1 with better performance/breathing there as well.  Something like a nice dunstall-type set maybe.

Carpy has this one for the 750, but doesn't make it for the 550.
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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2015, 02:43:10 PM »
I agree. If Carpy made that Dunstall pipe for the 550 I'd be all over it.
I've never been a fan of the premature termination the Yosh replica pipes have either.
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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2015, 04:48:03 PM »
so... maybe a few of us gang up on him?

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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2015, 06:23:28 PM »
Cyclex has "drag pipes" but these are for straightliners as the name implies. I wanted something for performance, that make a nice throaty howl, that hug the frame closely on both sides and then turn up at the right spot where they just barely allow passenger pegs/passenger's heels to give most possible lean angle before grinding.
I think a properly tuned and balanced system could give better performance than a 4-4 with less weight, and come close to the weight of a 4-1 with better performance/breathing there as well.  Something like a nice dunstall-type set maybe.

Carpy has this one for the 750, but doesn't make it for the 550.
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The 4 into 4 and 4 into one will always breath better than a 4 into 2 on these bikes, breathing isn't just about air in and air out, its about exhaust gas pressure waves, scavenging and pulses, how many 500/550/750/4 bikes have you seen raced with a 4 into 2...?  4 into 2's are generally a cosmetic pipe more than a performance pipe on a 4 cylinder...
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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2015, 10:57:25 AM »
I would like to see actual proof of what you say there, retro rocket.  Head to head dyno run results perhaps?.  I am talking (I thought obviously) about a STREET exhaust that would weigh less and perform better (and yeah prob be louder) than OEM 4-4.  The 4-1 Mac pipes use a narrow collector and therefore restrict flow and so you don't gain anything (and of course you don't have to re-jet).  Carpy's and motogpwerks yosh style fat collector/short tail pipe is good for wfo but have some "issues" at low/midrange as compared to OEM 4-4..  I recall hondaman and/or twotired had helpful comments on this issue.


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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2015, 03:19:32 PM »
I would like to see actual proof of what you say there, retro rocket.  Head to head dyno run results perhaps?.  I am talking (I thought obviously) about a STREET exhaust that would weigh less and perform better (and yeah prob be louder) than OEM 4-4.  The 4-1 Mac pipes use a narrow collector and therefore restrict flow and so you don't gain anything (and of course you don't have to re-jet).  Carpy's and motogpwerks yosh style fat collector/short tail pipe is good for wfo but have some "issues" at low/midrange as compared to OEM 4-4..  I recall hondaman and/or twotired had helpful comments on this issue.


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Sorry mate, do your own research, I already have, I have nothing to prove, you either want performance or looks {obvious?, you continually mention Performance and asked about a "high performance" 4 into 2 in your 1st post..?}, I've used a few yoshi pipes {amongst a pile of other performance pipes}, on different bikes and have one in my garage now, they are fine on the street, there are no issues with the pipe apart from being loud, which is easily fixed and only lose a couple of HP, which is still better than stock, I gather you have never used one..?, the "fat collector" you mention isn't fat at all, its the correct size, there's a reason for that too.... I would say that the original no number or HM300 pipes would out perform most, if not all 4 into 2 pipes, and all good 4 into 1's will, swarbricks 4 into 4 definitely would and is very light... Try and find one  "performance" 4 into 2 pipe alacrity, or anyone claiming one as "performance", I explained why 4 into 4 and 4 into 1 pipes work, if you don't understand, thats fine but do your own research, there's tons of information online about exhaust theory and construction and why and how it all works.. If you only want "opinions" that suit your  understanding, or lack thereof,  of exhaust theory, why not say so in the first place...? There's a reason why, after 40 odd years, no one makes a "performance" 4 into 2, did that not occur to you at all ?
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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2015, 04:10:53 PM »
I basically agree with Retro but with a few added points...
the design of optimum performing exhausts involves so many variables and necessary "packaging" compromises that you can pretty much count on every one of them lacking something, so if you find something that works, use it, we are are really only talking about the difference, at most, of 3-4 hp anyway.  So when deciding on exhaust, you might as well just keep it simple.  Is the pipe built to a decent quality standard? can you afford it?, can you stand to listen to it for more than 5 minutes? etc.
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http://piledriverz.com/2014/02/04/may-1972-cycle-magazine-honda-cb750-exhaust-system-test/

a couple of interesting reads on the subject...somewhere here there is an old magazine article with actual Dyno tests.  Iirc, a Hooker 4-2 made the most power, a whopping 2 or 3 more than the stock 341's, a couple 4-1's made gains of 1 or 2 hp.  It is my opinion that the weight savings of a 4-1 over 4-4 is where the real gains are.
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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2015, 05:08:35 PM »
There were many tests and rarely the same pipes tested! It's voodoo this exhaust business.  ::) There can be science involved however. There was a guy on here "Tower" that seemed to understand it all, do a search if you're looking for more reading.

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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2015, 05:13:07 PM »
Pick something & be happy, most of us haven't got a real clue anyway.  ;D

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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 04:55:05 PM »
Bwaller: right on!
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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2015, 05:05:55 PM »
And retro rocket:  -- given your response, I am certain that the intended tone of my comment did not come across properly.  I have had 4-4, 4-2 and 4-1 pipes on all sorta of different bikes over the years.  I have been running a yosh-type 4-1 pipe on my "built" cb550 for the past year or so and have  loved it-- even love the volume, and will be installing another.  I wasn't intending to insult you in any way. I was just thinking that maybe you had (easily, at hand) something to which you could readily point that would be like the answer in the back of a math book...  From what I know about racing (which I have done), cutting weight is free horsepower and you only care about the top half of the the range.   A 4-1 works great for both those issues, but if low midrange to below redline (normal spirited riding ranges) is where you want your nice far flat torque curve,, responsiveness and driveability , and you can live with the extra 10lbs or whatever that a 4-2 could bring, then maybe that would work to "justify" itself for more than cosmetic reasons. 

I think I will stop typing now except to say that I am intentionally not addressing any of the less friendly, things you wrote or the unfriendly tone you used. I am sure as hell not in here to fight.


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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2015, 06:22:20 PM »
Most 4 into 1's are designed for the street any way, you only have to look at the baffle design compared to a race bike, so most 4 into 1 pipes are fine for the street, the bigger baffle gives increased torque or shifts the torque curve back down the rev range, you would barely notice this difference  at all using a 4 into 2. I understand the "even" or "Balanced" look a 4 into 2 gives but i wouldn't be reading to much into the "4 into 1 has less torque" thing , it would barely Make any noticeable difference, every bike i've put a 4 into 1 on generally performed better across the range, not a huge amount,  but enough to notice....... As a matter of interest, I had a GPX {Ninja} 750 race bike and put it on the street, It had a huge amount shaved of the crank, when the previous owner had it done, everyone said he was mad, he would lose tons of torque, that was one of the fastest street bikes i've ever ridden and it was an old bike {1988}, it blew the doors of much more powerful bikes and easily kept up with the previous owners GSXR1100, it was a production racer as well {one of the fastest in the country at the time}, not a superbike, I saw over 150MPH on that bike on the street, it had tons of usable torque as well as revs... 8)
I've only ever owned 3 bikes under 750cc, a R5350 {given to me}, a cb450 {given to me as well} and a 1983 GSX550es, the smaller capacity bikes had to be revved harder to produce both torque and peak power anyway and its considerably further up the rev range than the bigger bikes, its the nature of a smaller engine.  As I said earlier, you won't get a true "performance" 4 into 2, so just put any 4 into 2 on it or get a set of 4 into 2 headers and make your own mufflers, like 2 cone engineering mufflers, it would both look and sound cool, it is a street bike after all and it sounds like you aren't that young, so who cares if it isn't a true performance pipe....?
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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2015, 01:43:26 AM »
As I said earlier, you won't get a true "performance" 4 into 2, so just put any 4 into 2 on it or get a set of 4 into 2 headers and make your own mufflers, like 2 cone engineering mufflers, it would both look and sound cool, it is a street bike after all and it sounds like you aren't that young, so who cares if it isn't a true performance pipe....?

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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2015, 06:33:58 AM »
What I'm concerned about is that Retro is getting bikes given to him and I'm not. :D
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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2015, 12:21:00 PM »
Yes, Canary, this concerns me as well.  What the hell are we doing wrong that we have to BUY bikes?!
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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2015, 01:12:07 PM »
What I'm concerned about is that Retro is getting bikes given to him and I'm not. :D

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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2015, 02:00:35 PM »
i can understand Retro rockets point(s) but as for..
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There's a reason why, after 40 odd years, no one makes a "performance" 4 into 2, did that not occur to you at all ?
I'm sure I have seen a Dunstall 4-2 on a CB750. Would that not be considered a "performance" system?
550s can't be all that much different....can they?
Having said that, I love the MAC 4-1 on my 550 and while it may not be the most perfect exhaust, I have managed to tune the bike so it runs very nicely for my street application and sounds sweeeeeet :D
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Re: I sure wish someone would make a 4-2 Hi-perf cb500/550 pipe
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2015, 02:14:43 PM »
What I'm concerned about is that Retro is getting bikes given to him and I'm not. :D

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